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Old 22nd August 2007, 11:47
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Well the war was nearly a decade long & both sides used Airpower extensively--Iraq probably MORE so given they had a steady source of planes & spare parts--which Iran probably didn't have QUITE as much; I guess you could say the Good Major had a 'target rich environment'

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If you have your own opinion, just write it, but do not say, what should I write.

After the Iraqi-Iranian war, many fellows said (without much available details), that the 'less-qualified' (or in even rude terms: stupid/dumb etc) Iranians were not able to maintain the power of their air force, especially the US types, so they scored nothing. When some more info become available, this opinon turned to be somehing different: scoring air victories with an F-14? Big deal...

Well, during the earlier conflicts and world wars, there were many easy pickings as well, as some of the Iranian F-14 air victories. The Iranian F-14's had some easy kills, of course (the powerful radar and weapon system of the F-14 caused a row of simply 'brutal' air victories, when the Iraqi pilots even didn't know, what happened with them, since the F-14's attacked them from very long distance, from over 50 km)
But the air war was not one-sided, Iraq got much more help from abroad (not just materials, but some help for better training and tactic for their pilots) The air fights were intensive just in periods of the war, so claiming a row of victories were not as easy (and after the first bad experiences, the Iraqi pilots many times tried to avoid the clashes with the F-14's)

I don't think, that 9 jet air victory is only to me a notable performance.

BTW the Iranians had even a pilot, who scored 5 confirmed kills with an F-5, which is very far from the F-14's performance (that particular pilot shot down the most succesful Iraqi pilot, who flew a MiG-25...)
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Old 23rd August 2007, 06:24
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Csaba:

I think you mis-understood me; I wasn't trying to denigrate your information, I was only observing that Iraq-Iran War was a rarity in modern age: a long term war of attrition between two conventional armies that featured an extensive air-war component;

Sorry for the misunderstanding;

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Old 23rd August 2007, 08:12
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Csaba:

I think you mis-understood me; I wasn't trying to denigrate your information, I was only observing that Iraq-Iran War was a rarity in modern age: a long term war of attrition between two conventional armies that featured an extensive air-war component;

Sorry for the misunderstanding;

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Nick,

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I hope, once every details will be available from the Iranian F-14's - it is a great plane and was really succesful during that conflict.
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Old 23rd August 2007, 15:40
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Csaba:

I'm wondering: Might you have the dates and details of the aerial vics that Iranian F-14 pilot is credited?

Also, I have seen a book, a while back about the Air War during the Iraq/Iran war...I forgot the actual title AND the authors names but what little I read when I leafed through it seemed quite high quality....

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Csaba:

I'm wondering: Might you have the dates and details of the aerial vics that Iranian F-14 pilot is credited?

Also, I have seen a book, a while back about the Air War during the Iraq/Iran war...I forgot the actual title AND the authors names but what little I read when I leafed through it seemed quite high quality....

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Nick,

the asked book is:
Farzad Bishop-Tom Cooper
Iran-Iraq war in the air 1980-1988
It was published by the Schiffer in 2002

The acig site contains the known Iranian air to air claims as well:
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_210.shtml
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_211.shtml
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