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Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
Luftflotte 4 (Uman') - Genobst. Otto Deßloch
VIII.Fliegerkorps (Bila Tserkva) - Gen.d.Fl. Hans Seidemann Jagdgeschwader 54 II./ (Zhitomir) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Erich Rudorffer ---- 7 x Fw190A-4, 13 x Fw190A-5, 4 x Fw190A-6 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 2 x Fw190A-4) Schlachtgeschwader 9 IV./ (Kirovograd) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Bruno Meyer ---- 3 x Hs129B-2 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0) 10./ (Uman') ---- 12 x Hs129B-2 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 6 x Hs129B-2) Schlachtgeschwader 10 Stab/ (Berdichev) - Geschwaderkommodore Obstlt. Helmut Viedebantt ---- 1 x Ju88C-6 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0) I./ (Berdichev) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Egon Thiem ---- 11 x Fw190F-3, 12 x Fw190G-3 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0) II./ (Berdichev) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj Götz Baumann ---- 41 x Fw190G-3 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0) Schlachtgeschwader 77 Stab/ (Kalinovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Maj. Helmut Bruck ---- 1 x Ju87D-3, 3 x Ju87D-5 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Ju87D-5) I./ (Zhitomir) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Werner Roell ---- 1 x Ju87D-1, 13 x Ju87D-3, 11 x Ju87D-5 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 4 x Ju87D-3, 2 x Ju87D-5) II./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Alexander Gläser ---- 6 x Fw190F-2, 10 x Fw190F-3 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Fw190F-3) III./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Franz Kieslich ---- 12 x Ju87D-3, 19 x Ju87D-5 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x Ju87D-3, 4 x Ju87D-5) Kampfgeschwader 3 Stab/ (Kalinovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Maj. Fritz Auffhammer ---- 1 x Ju88A-4, 1 x Ju88C-6 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0) I./ (Kalinovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Joachim Jödicke ---- 32 x Ju88A-4, 1 x Ju88A-14 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 8 x Ju88A-4) Kampfgeschwader 27 Stab/ (Kirovograd) - Geschwaderkommodore Obst. Hans-Henning von Beust ---- 1 x He111H-6 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0) III./ (Kirovograd) - Gruppenkommandeur Hptm. Karl Mayer ---- 21 x He111H-16 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 1 x He111H-16) Kampfgeschwader 53 Stab/ (Rotmistrovka) - Geschwaderkommodore Obstlt. Karl-Eduard Wilke ---- 3 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-14 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 0) II./ (Rotmistrovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Herbert Wittmann ---- 24 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-6 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 3 x He111H-16) Kampfgeschwader 55 II./ (Rotmistrovka) - Gruppenkommandeur Maj. Heinz Höfer ---- 21 x He111H-16, 1 x He111H-6 ----(end of month losses by enemy action: 2 x He111H-16) |
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
Thanks for info!
Any details and dates for losses? Also, You forgot II./SG2, wich fought over Kiev in early november. |
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
Dear friends!
Could You please help me with some Luftwaffe losses on 3.11.43, Luftflotte 4. -Ju87 (I presume St.G.77 / SG.77) -Ju88 -He111 -Bf109 (JG51? Aufklarungs?) -Fw189 (Aufklarungs?) -Fw190 (JG54, JG51, II./SG2)? |
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
Hello...
II Gruppe JG 54 5 Staffel Fw 190 A-4, werknummer werknummer (14)7112 – Black ? – 85% damaged – Usin/Kiew Süd. I guess it was on the ground (not LK - Not Luft Kampf) There are two other Bf 109 G-2 and G-6 losses but to 10. Staffel (not related to your research). Adriano Baumgartner |
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
I can check for you the HS 129 losses on this Month....but it will take me some time to reply...
About the other, do have nothing to share...sorry Adriano B. |
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
Hello Evgeny,
according to the Gen.Qu. loss reports on 3 November 1943 Luftflotte 4 units lost the following aircraft: Go 242 WNr. 014 Schleppgruppe 2 (no enemy action) Warwarowka, Absturz 100% Bf 109 G-6 WNr. 19675 10./JG 51 Apostolowo-West, Bruchlandung, 10% Bf 109 G-6 WNr. 140061 11./JG 51 Apostolowo-West, Absturz, 100% Ju 88 D-1 WNr. 430893 4.(F)/122 Nikolajew-Ost, Flakbeschuss, 100% Ju 88 A-4 WNr. 888672 2. Ung.K.St. Planquadrat 0141, Absturz infolge Flakbeschuss, Aufschlagbrand, 100% Fw 190 A-4 WNr. 7112 5./JG 54 (no enemy action) Usin-Kiew Süd, Fahrwerkschaden, 85% Bf 110 G-2 WNr. 5200 5./NJG 200 bei Kertsch, Absturz nach Luftkampf, 100% Regards Leo |
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
Thanks Adriano, I have all Hs129 losses and there are no for 3.11.43.
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
Gentlemen - are there any losses of Fw189 of 7.(H)/32 (NAGr.6) on 3.11.43?
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Re: Luftwaffe during Kiev operation in Nov.1943
Hi Evgeny,
in the Gen.Qu. loss reports are listed no NAGr 6 losses in the period 20 Oct 1943 to 11 Nov 1943 (19 Oct 1943 loss of Fw 189 A-2 WNr. 125290 70%, 12 Nov 1943 loss of Fw 189 A-2 WNr. 528 100%). Regards Leo |
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