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Old 19th September 2010, 22:56
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Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence

Thanks to all, in particular to

- Nick, you are certainly right, the ATI and similar British airfield reports show particular in debth technical knowledge on German Luftruestung and were carfully compiled.

- Sergio Luis dos Santos for sharing the true story of the photo with us. It is indeed sad that no German aircraft were collected and shipped to Brazil as they might have survived or would have been preserved until today as in many other Allied nations.

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Old 20th September 2010, 00:21
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Thanks Sergio,

your post preceded mine which was intended to explain exactly what you said.

Back in 1995 I had the pleasure to watch a projection of such slides at the dinner organized in Pisa during the visit in Italy of the Veterans of the 350th FG and the 1ºGAvCa which I was honoured to host, and the projection was made by Col. Buyers himself who explained to us all that those particular images of German wrecks were taken in Germany and not in Italy...

Hope this helps to settle the discussion...
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Old 20th September 2010, 11:29
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BACANA Sergio! Dà certo!
Can you share this Bf109G Red 12 with us, if it's possible? Thanks very much.
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Old 20th September 2010, 16:06
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BACANA Sergio! Dà certo!
Can you share this Bf109G Red 12 with us, if it's possible? Thanks very much.
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Luciano Barbosa Monteiro, FAB na Segunda Guerra Mundial [The Brazilian Air Force in World War II; Mediterranean Theatre of Operations 1º GAvCa & 1º ELO] (Rio de Janeiro: Adler, n.d.), p. 31.
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Muito obrigado caro amigo,

I like this place, you just have to ask for; sometimes. thanks again.
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Old 20th September 2010, 17:02
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Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence

If I may, the Bf 109 G-4 in question was a "prey" of the 347th FS, and it was "yellow 12", not red...



It was a recce G-4 of 1.(F)/122 found abandoned on Elmas airfield...





It was refurbished and repainted on OD/MG with USAAF markings (but keeping the Luftwaffe unit's badge) and test-flown a few times by Maj. Hugh D. Dow, CO of the 347th FS (shown in the photographs)...





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Old 20th September 2010, 18:05
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Re: Me 262 in Italy - photo evidence

Hello Ferdinando,

Waoh, we got Five for the price of one!

You may you may ... you must. To check this plane I was looking for a "Gelbe 12" in my data, since I wasn't convinced by a G-4 (Trop!) with a red 12 in either JG77 or JG53 in 1944(is it the good period?) And Cagliari (southern Sardigna) province is not exactly Pisa, of course.

And it helps too. Thanks a lot Ferdinando ( I wrote it well today without hesitation)
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Do I see some writings under the canopy? anything else? As if the emblem was painted on cowling on starboard and under the canopy on leftboard....

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(...)Do I see some writings under the canopy? anything else? As if the emblem was painted on cowling on starboard and under the canopy on leftboard....
Here are the writings below the cockpit (last embellishment)...



...and yes, the badge was on both sides of the cowling...



Ok, Christmas is over...
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Ah, no, I'm talking about the second picture you sent, still in german markings. For the following two... Huuum I still have eyes my friend .
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I mean here:
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