German docs in TSAMO

[Nick Beale]

For anyone interested in JG 5's response to the Lancasters that sank the Tirpitz, take a look at Bestand 500 / Findbuch 12453 - Oberkommando der Kriegsmarine (OKM) / Akte 79: Verschiedene Materialien der Wehrmachtsbehörden in Norwegen.

This includes documents apparently assembled for the post-mortem on the loss of the Tirpitz on 12 November 1944. Among these are transcripts of traffic between the controller and the fighters, reports from observer posts, the ground controller's account of the attack and response and (see attached) a list of which pilots took off, when, and in which aircraft.

[DDT]

Very interesting Nick! Thanks for sharing the documents.

Dirk

[leonventer]

Hi Nick,

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

For anyone interested in JG 5's response to the Lancasters that sank the Tirpitz, take a look at Bestand 500 / Findbuch 12453 - Oberkommando der Kriegsmarine (OKM) / Akte 79: Verschiedene Materialien der Wehrmachtsbehörden in Norwegen.

Very much appreciate you sharing that find -- great stuff!

I've had a long fascination with 617 Squadron, and visited Bardufoss and Tromsø a couple of years ago. It wasn't hard to imagine Ehrler and Dörr taking off in their 109s that morning, and 9. Staffel's 190s waiting next to the sloping runway for the incoming Ju 52 (or Ju 88?) to land...

12 Nov 44 was a very dark day for JG 5, due to a major breakdown in communication and coordination between the Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe.

Regards,
Leon Venter

[MW Giles]

It is also interesting that the times set out in the two excerpts posted here do not agree

Cannot understand enough German to get from the texts which one is correct or why the difference

Martin

[Andy Mitchell]

Hi,

There has been another new findbuch added Findbuch 12488 - Unterlagen Operation "Seelöwe"

The following may be of interest:-

Akte 103: Unterlagen der OKH-Abteilung Fremde Heere West: Zielraumkarte 11 – Middlebrough-Teesgebiet, Stand 1.9.1940, M 1:50.000


Akte 695: Unterlagen des Koluft beim AOK 16: Vorbereitungen des Koluft für „Seelöwe“, Mob-Kalender und Kräftegliederung für das Unternehmen, Befehle des Koluft u.a.


Akte 551: Unterlagen des Koluft beim AOK 16: Karte der Seenotbereiche und Seenotbezirke der Luftwaffe in der Nordsee, im Kanal und im Atlantik

[egbert]

I was scanning for Lw Flak units, but did not find the source. anybody?

[Andy Mitchell]

Egbert,

Is this what you were looking for Findbuch 12476 - Flakkorps und Flakdivisionen

[Nick Beale]

There's also this one with reference to Seelöwe (but I'm only halfway through the first page of files so far): https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/...de/grid/zoom/1

[egbert]

Andy,the 12474 is available for some time now. I have scanned this doc for my fathers flak unit to no avail.
I mean indeed the new Seelöwe files. My Q refered to Flak units. So far I scanned the file with no reference to flak units...

[Andy Mitchell]

Egbert,

Apologies - I would have to say I have not seen a lot specific to Flak units I'm afraid.

Anyone interested in Target Codes (Ziel Nrs) there is this file - Akte 433: Unterlagen des Koluft beim AOK 9: Karten zu Zielpunkten und Landungsräumen der 9. Armee, Kartenskizzen zur Dislokation und Stärke von Verbänden der britischen Luftstreitkräfte, Luftbildaufnahmen der britischen Küste