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Old 14th September 2015, 19:21
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Re: Did the Soviets ever succeed in jamming the “X-Gerat“ beam

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I have followed the correspondence with some interest and the first question I have to ask is when was X-Geraet used against Moscow?
X-Gerat was used on the very first raid on Moscow 21-22 July 1941.

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Old 16th September 2015, 13:52
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Re: Did the Soviets ever succeed in jamming the “X-Gerat“ beam

Very many thanks Oquig for that information. Do you have any information on subsequent use of X-Geraet against Moscow?
Also, does anyone know when the Russians first used their version of 'Window'
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Re: Did the Soviets ever succeed in jamming the “X-Gerat“ beam

The exact date I don't know.
Have the following information: "The bombers the Long-range Aircraft (ADD), starting from August 1943 in areas of expected fighters and anti-aircraft artillery along the route threw wads of paper metallized strips of length 25-30 cm for jamming radar detection of air targets, radar vectoring fighter aircraft and stations aiming gun anti-aircraft artillery.
The moment you enter the aircraft in the detection zone of the radar was determined using radar detectors type SOL-3/SOL-3A.
Packs reflectors were thrown out manually (through the hatch of the cabin air gunner) with a time interval of about 10 seconds. In each regiment for jamming stood out for 2-3 plane. Simultaneously with the creation of interference was carried out maneuver the aircraft on course, altitude and speed.
The initiators and organizers of the military application of these passive jamming were the staff officers ADD - Aleksander Pavlovich Chernyshov and Aleksander Vasilyevich Delnov"

In June 1943 already took the famous RAID on Hamburg when the mass was used "Window" - the Russians must have known about it... Maybe knew about before.

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Re: Did the Soviets ever succeed in jamming the “X-Gerat“ beam

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I wonder, what specifically interested you in German air raids on Moscow in 1941?

There were in fact 2 quite strong attack and later pleny very small raids, up to the end of 1941?

Almost nothing special?


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Re: Did the Soviets ever succeed in jamming the “X-Gerat“ beam

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X-Gerat was used on the very first raid on Moscow 21-22 July 1941.

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Actually I have to correct myself here. The X and Y Gerat systems were NOT used in the attacks on Moscow. They were removed. The transmitting systems (The Rivers) remained in France. At best they used the Knickebein system.

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I wonder, what specifically interested you in German air raids on Moscow in 1941?

There were in fact 2 quite strong attack and later pleny very small raids, up to the end of 1941?

Almost nothing special?


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Sorry for the long delay, but the raids on Moscow in July 1941 committed most of the Kampfgeschwader to the operation thus starving Army group center of air support from the bombers. The battle of Smolensk was almost entirely supported by ground attack aircraft alone.

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