Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 25th August 2012, 13:44
rickback4444 rickback4444 is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Nottingham, England
Posts: 1,143
rickback4444 is on a distinguished road
Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943

Hi,

Can anyone provide details of the loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger who was killed on the night of the 5th November 1943? He was a Nachtjager.

Please see his sterbebild below for further details.

Thanks as always

Rick

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 25th August 2012, 14:46
Matti Salonen Matti Salonen is online now
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Tampere, Finland
Posts: 2,565
Matti Salonen is on a distinguished road
Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943

1943-11-05, 7./NJG 200, Ju 88C-6, 720074, 1 km südlich Seibolsdorf, Neuburg/Donau, Absturz infolge Bedienungsfehler. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Preisinger, Alois, +
Bordfunker Fw Büttner, Wilhelm, +
Bordmechaniker Flg Schwingenschlögl, Ferdinand, +
GQM gives 720014, but it seems to be outside any known WNr.-block.

Matti
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 25th August 2012, 16:16
ianatheling's Avatar
ianatheling ianatheling is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: South West London
Posts: 371
ianatheling is on a distinguished road
Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943

This may not be important but I note that the WNr. 720074 was carried by a Bf 110G-4. NJG 200 certainly had Bf 110Gs, but I am not sure about 7./NJG200. Could this perhaps have been a Bf110 which was incorrectly listed as a Ju88C-6 simply on the basis that most other aircraft in this staffel were Ju 88C-6s?

I don't have any other details on the Bf110 720074.

Ian
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 25th August 2012, 17:36
Matti Salonen Matti Salonen is online now
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Tampere, Finland
Posts: 2,565
Matti Salonen is on a distinguished road
Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943

I still believe, that Ju 88C-6, WNr. 720074 is correct. It is from NVM and therefore more reliable than GQM info. Also Bf 110G-4, WNr. 720074 of 3./NJG 3 was destroyed 1944-04-27 and Bf 110G-4, WNr. 720014 of 5./NJG 102 was destroyed 1944-07-19.

Matti
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 25th August 2012, 18:07
ianatheling's Avatar
ianatheling ianatheling is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: South West London
Posts: 371
ianatheling is on a distinguished road
Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943

Thanks Matti for ruling out the Bf110, it was hopefully useful to remove this an explanation for the curious WNr.

Ian
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 25th August 2012, 20:02
ArtieBob ArtieBob is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sharps Chapel, TN USA
Posts: 355
ArtieBob
Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943

This is not a particularly curious W.Nr. for a Ju 88C-6. The 720xxx block was correct for a small group of Nachbau Ju 88 C-6s assembled in late 1943. This block was the only group of Ju 88 fighters not assembled by JFM FZB (Bernburg) or one of its dispersal sites.

Best Regards,

Artie Bob
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 25th August 2012, 21:46
Matti Salonen Matti Salonen is online now
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Tampere, Finland
Posts: 2,565
Matti Salonen is on a distinguished road
Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943

Based on Verlustmeldungen, it seems, that at least the following Ju 88C-6 aircraft were in 720xxx block:
720074 - 720120
720321 - 720326.
Therefore I suggested, that 720014 from GQM cannot be correct and 720074 from NVM is correct.

Matti
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 26th August 2012, 14:59
ArtieBob ArtieBob is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sharps Chapel, TN USA
Posts: 355
ArtieBob
Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943

I did not have my spreadsheet available when I posted yesterday. Now have access and there are two other entries for W.Nr.720014, so I believe it is valid. I have also cross-checked the number of entries for this block (720xxx) against the Monatsmeldung totals and they balance out pretty well.

Best Regards,

Artie Bob
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 28th August 2012, 00:35
Jim P. Jim P. is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,691
Jim P.
Re: Information concerning loss of Ltn. Alois Preisinger - Nachtjager - 05.11.1943

I have two others captured in Norway from this WNr. block -

Ju 88C-6, 720011, ./., , IV., 11., ZG 26, , , , , 08-May-45, Captured EOW., , Norwegen, SIG LW Homepage, , Fl.Pl. Gardermoen, , F, , ,
Ju 88C-6, 720012, ./., , IV., 11., ZG 26, , , , , 08-May-45, Captured EOW., , Norwegen, SIG LW Homepage, , Fl.Pl. Gardermoen, , F, , ,
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Information concerning loss of Obergefr. Heinrich Nurnberg - Nachtjager - 24/25.04.1944 rickback4444 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 9 16th August 2012 05:57
Information concerning loss of Leutnant Leonhard Moschetti - 16.09.1943 rickback4444 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 4 12th January 2012 21:30
Information Concerning the Loss of Hauptmann Fritz Edelmann - 30.01.1944 rickback4444 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 4 12th February 2011 18:01
Information Concerning Loss of Nachtjager Josef Wolf - 21.12.1943 rickback4444 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 2 27th December 2010 16:36
Information needed about Ltn. Kurt Bühligen 4./JG 2 88jimmeyer Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 0 27th January 2009 06:55


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 18:30.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net