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Old 21st February 2022, 16:54
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Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce

Clint. When the 10th Sentai was re-organised in July 1941 it had the 70/74/76 Dokuritsu Chutai all with this marking ( based on the Nen river in NE China)-- in order white/yellow/red; from June 1943 the 70th/74th served as independent Chutai to the EOW. The Hollandia landings were in April 1944 so this Ki.51 is probably 70th Chutai as you say.
A Ki.46 "Dinah" from the 76th was also found in N. Guinea in 1944 with red insignia, also other Ki.51s with white.

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Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Nakajima Ki-27 and a Kawasaki Ki-32,the latter carrying the markings of 65 Sentai


https://www.ebay.com/itm/39506890512...gAAOSw3fNlflc0


The same seller has a photo of a Mitsbishi Ki-30


https://www.ebay.com/itm/37512541731...EAAOSw3fNlflWe



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Old 22nd January 2024, 22:26
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Hello,


Currently on ebay are two photos of a Kawasaki Ki-61 in US markings:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15601317921...sAAOSwqtRlqCao


https://www.ebay.com/itm/37519535978...IAAOSw3U9lqCZL


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Old 22nd January 2024, 22:52
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Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce

So once again currently on ebay are two photos of a Kawasaki Ki-61 in US markings:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/15601317921...sAAOSwqtRlqCao


https://www.ebay.com/itm/37519535978...IAAOSw3U9lqCZL


For more on this aircraft please see


https://captured-wings.fandom.com/wiki/Yontan_Tony



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Clint


Sorry for the interruption of regular service.


I have bumped this post as despite a polite request on my part that TOCH village idiot Ed West removes a duplicate post,posted after mine he has not done so.


To Nick Beale,this is not the first time this has happened and I see no reason therefore to show any politeness.Please delete Ed West's post titled Japanese Aircraft,perhaps given his low level of intelligence and lack of character,this is not necessarily a surprise.Alternatively,please let me know if you would prefer that I handle this in my own fashion.





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Old 20th February 2024, 15:05
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Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce

Hello,


I've moved this link from my post Chinese Aircraft on this board,as I now,rightly or wrongly believe I've identified the aircraft as a Tachikawa KKY-2 Aikoku 241.



However, if anyone has any information as to the significance of the emblem on the fuselage I'd still be very interested.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/26668173404...YAAOSw6tBl0rfW


Here is a photo of Aikoku 241 with different markings to that shown by the llinked photo


https://jmodels.net/de-hombres-y-maq...tachikawa-kky/


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Old 20th February 2024, 18:34
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Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce

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Originally Posted by Buckeye30 View Post
Clint. When the 10th Sentai was re-organised in July 1941 it had the 70/74/76 Dokuritsu Chutai all with this marking ( based on the Nen river in NE China)-- in order white/yellow/red; from June 1943 the 70th/74th served as independent Chutai to the EOW. The Hollandia landings were in April 1944 so this Ki.51 is probably 70th Chutai as you say.
A Ki.46 "Dinah" from the 76th was also found in N. Guinea in 1944 with red insignia, also other Ki.51s with white.

Nick
A little early history of the parent unit, 10 FMS, and how its components ended up in New Guinea:


10 Independent Flying Unit (10 Dokuritsu Hikōtai - 10 FMS)


Formed 28 July 1941 in Manchuria by temporarily renaming 10 Hikōsentai. Served as a small headquarters to exercise control over 52, 74 and 76 Dokuritsu Hikōchūtai (Independent Flying Squadrons - FCS) that were equipped with Mitsubishi Ki-15 Type 97 Command Reconnaissance Planes (BABS), Tachikawa Ki-36 Type 98 Direct Co-operation Planes (IDA) and Mitsubishi Ki-46 Type 100 Command Reconnaissance Planes (DINAH).

2 Aug 41: Manchuria.
18 Sep 41: HQ 10 FMS with 70 FCS, 74 FCS and 76 FCS transferred from Manchuria to Formosa and reassigned to 1st Flying (Air) Group (1 Hikō Shudan).
7 Dec 41 (8 Dec Tōkyō time): HQ 10 FMS at Heitō (P’ingtung) in SW Formosa directly under 5th Flying (Air) Group (5 Hikō Shudan) with 52 FCS (13 Ki-51s - Maj. Shigeru ŌMORI), 74 FCS (10 Ki-36s - Capt. Sadao HORI) and 76 FCS (9 Ki-15s and 2 Ki-46s - Maj. Katsushige TAKADA). All three of the squadrons were also at Heitō. Responsible for providing reconnaissance support for 14th Army during the invasion of the Philippines.
21 Dec 41: now based in northern Luzon - 10 FMS commander Col. HOSHI personally flew over Manila dropping leaflets demanding the surrender of the city. The next day 10 FMS and its subordinate squadrons supported the main Japanese landings in Lingayen Gulf on the west coast of central Luzon.
7 Jan 42: HQ 10 FMS personnel strength - 7 officers and 16 NCOs and men.
8 Jan 42: HQ 10 FMS based on Luzon with 52 FCS, 74 FCS and 76 FCS, plus 11th Transport Flying Squadron (11 Yusō Hikōchūtai) attached.
3 Apr 42: still on Luzon (probably at Clark Field and/or Nichols Field) with 52 FCS, 74 FCS and 76 FCS, but now under 22d Flying (Air) Brigade (22 Hikōdan - FB).
28 Apr – 22 May 42: 10 FMS with elements of 52, 74 and 76 FCS, 6 fighters from 84th Independent Flying Squadron and one chūtai from 16th Flying Regiment (16 FR), transferred from Luzon to Cebu and Davao to support the taking of Mindanao.
1 Jun 42: HQ 10 FMS in Manila with HQ 22 FB.
14 Jul 42: still in the Philippines under 22 FB with 52, 74 and 76 FCS.
2 Apr 43: 10 FMS ordered to transfer from the Philippines under 22 FB to New Britain and eastern New Guinea for reassignment to 6th Flying Division (6 FD).
13 May 43: 10 FMS ordered to reorganize once again as 10 Hikōsentai.
10 Jun 43: reorganization completed and 10 FMS officially renamed 10 Hikōsentai. The constituent squadrons of 10 Hikōsentai are believed to have been 76 FCS and 1st Chūtai of 81 Hikōsentai.


Commander:
Col. Komatarō HOSHI (Jul 41 - Sep 42)

Sources:
Air World-6/1985.
J-Mono #151.
J-Mono #151.
Star Games-Skies of Red; Shores-Bloody Shambles:v.1/53; Sekigawa:113.
Shores-op cit:192-93.
J-Mono #11.
Shores-op cit.
J-Mono #11.
J-Mono #11.
J-Mono #11.
Sekigawa:129.
IGHQ Army Order #772.
IGHQ Army Order #787.
Air World-op cit.
R.Dunn: j-aircraft dot com website posting 28 May 2002. Confirmation needed.

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Larry, thank you so much for taking the time and effort to provide this interesting information on 10 Dokuritsu Hikōtai.


Unfortunately this has awakened a temptation on my part to look through the Japanese Monographs referenced by yourself in your sources.


But before I do I have a couple of questions in this regard:


1. I take it that these are the Monographs referred to by yourself


https://pacificwararchive.wordpress....se-monographs/


2. I would like to seek information on non combat units of the JAAF & JNAF,specifically the type of aircraft used and the number of each type assigned to specific second line units.Would I find this in the monographs?


As an example,picking up on my last post in this thread,would it be possible to discover which units operated the KKY-2 in China?



I must stress that I'm not looking for you to answer this question,just whether searching is even likely to be productive.


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Old 21st February 2024, 16:40
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Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce

Clint -

To Question #1: Yes, these are the ones I used. When I used them 20 to 25 years ago, they were on microfilm reels that I obtained from the USN history archives at the Navy Yard in Washington. Here is another series that might be helpful to you:
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/...ex.html#pageVI

To Question #2: Yes again; but you would have to painstakingly go through all of the Monographs to find what you are looking for. However, there is another source that is organized unit-by-unit in numerical and alphabetical order that would be helpful with the aircraft each unit had:
a) NARA WashDC: RG 457/SRH-259.
b) Naval Historical Center (Washington Navy Yard, WashDC):
Order of Battle of the JNAF. Microfiche F 2076 (7 fiche).
Order of Battle of the JAAF. Microfiche F 2075 (12 fiche).

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Re: Photos Japanese Army Airforce

This site has a 'full' set of the Monographs, just hasnt entered the titles!! There are indexes elsewhere though.

http://ddsnext.crl.edu/titles/31862/items
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Dennis & Larry thank you both for the replies. I hope to commence on the China Theatre Monographs imminently.


Larry, I have a question about the OOBs you mentioned in your last post. I'm going to use a JNAF OOB (O/T I know) to illustrate my question. Hitherto I've largely used used Leo Niehorster's pages for Japanese OOB,so looking at the following OOB for the Suzuka Kokutai (which may anyway be wrong in detail - at least it differs from the OOB in Japonskie Samoloty Marynarki)


http://www.niehorster.org/014_japan/...ka_naf-11.html


My question does the fiche you suggest have more detail for 7/8 Dec 1941,specifically does it actually list by type and number the 144 mixed aircraft,or,as I suspect, the information on the Niehorster site and indeed Japonskie Samoloty Marynarki,actually comes from a JNAF OOB fiche?


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