Aufkl.Gr.123 airmen's information required

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Good morning to all members.

Am looking for more details, if possible, of two airmen from Aufkl.Gr.123:

1- P Jonas or Oberfeldwebel Helmuth Jonas (wounded, killed or decorated on 9 or 4 April 1944)
2- F Fürstenberg

It may be the same person related on De Zeng file here:
FÜRSTENBERG, Friedrich Leopold, Freiherr von. 17.06.39 Hptm., in Fl.Ausb.Rgt. 26

I tried on several sources, but got no joy in finding references to those airmen.

Any directions, most welcomed.

Adriano S. Baumgartner

[Chris Goss]

Ofw Helmuth Jonas of 2./123 was shot down over Cyprus 29 Apr 44 by Sgt E A Stringer of 213 Sqn and apparently he and his crew were captured

[Matti Salonen]

1944-04-29, 2.(F)/123, Ju 88 A-4 (Ho), 300134, 4U+BK, Cypern
Flugzeugführer Ofw Jonas, Helmuth, gefangen
Beobachter Lt Effenberger, Alfred, gefangen
Bordfunker Uffz Singer, Heinrich, gefangen
Bordschütze Uffz Warnke, Siegfried, gefangen
Luftkampf mit Spitfire. Bruch 100 %.

Matti

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Chris and Matti,

My DEEPEST GRATITUDE for your most valuable and kind information.

I believe that the person who wrote behind made a big mistake. There is a great possibility of the airmen informed as "Fürstenberg" may actually be Jonas' Beobachter, Leutnant Effenberger.

Again my GRATITUDE for both of you.

Adriano

[Chris Goss]

I have a photo of Jonas and his usual crew if that helps. The loss of a Hptm would rarely be mistaken in my opinion

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Chris,

Those names fo appear behind a "Feindflugfeier" celebration along that of Bournot and Weixelbaum, which were clearly written. Only those two names were poorly written and without rank, although that of Oberfeldwebel Helmuth Jonas was later amended by someone else.

The probable mistake of my part was not regarding the loss of a Hauptmann, but rather probably confusing his Family name (written in old German) on the back of the image. And before the F Fürstenberg or Effenberg(er) there is no rank.

Amongst the FÜRSTENBERG listed on De Zeng's Files on the LW Officers, only this Hauptmann who attended Fl.Ausb.Rgt. 26 would "probably" fit, since we do not know his later career in the LW.

With Matti's answer, we do have a great probability of the airman being Obfw Jonas' Beobachter, which was named Effenberger. They are both wearing Schimmweste and full gear, just after a reconaissance sortie.

Since Weixelbaum was lost on the night of 4/5 September 1944, I would guess that the image was taken before that.

Sadly there is no mention to the number of the Feindflug...maybe an ordinary sortie or difficult sortie that was celebrated by some crewmembers of 2./Aufkl.Gr.123...

Am trying to obtain a copy of the 100th catapult launching of Lt-zur-See Rosenbaum on the Tirpitz. I have seen this image on one of your books. If you could help me with that one, it would be greatly appreciated for the 2 volumes of the forthcoming "Feindflügenfeiern" book.

I was pretty busy last 4 months and unable to conclude this work, which am trying to finish whenever I do have a free time available.

Most humbly yours,

Adriano S. Baumgartner