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Old 6th December 2019, 12:04
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Bruce,

As you probably already know, the six claims by 881 are found in Dust Clouds in the Middle East and no probables are mentioned. The only other claim I have found is by Mid.(A) Andrew Cameron Lindsay, RNVR of 881 for an unidentified twin engine aircraft damaged on 6 May 42 at 06:00 [per Sturtivant in Fleet Air Arm Aircraft 1939 to 1945].

Also from Sturtivant, B Flight of 800 Sqn. destroyed 3 MS.406s and 4 Potez 63s on the ground at Diego Suarez on 5 May.

I have not found any fatalities for 881 on that date or during that period. The only FAA fatalities on 6 May at Madagascar were a crew of an 829 Swordfish [Sturtivant and CWGC website].

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Tom
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According to pictures taken by FAA photograph after action, only three Potez 63-11 were destroyed on ground inside the hangar at Diego Arrachart airfield. It is confirmed by the French unit ORB that only three Potez were stationned here.

The only plane straffed outside on the airfield was a civilian one. There is a picture of it at Kew National archives. According to this picture, it could be the Puss Moth belonging to Percy Mayer who was "a British spy"...

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Old 6th December 2019, 12:10
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This is from the Admiralty wartime publication "Fleet Air Arm":

"On the morning of the 7th May the Martlet patrol saw two Morane fighters approaching from the southwest. The leader of the section attacked the first Morane head on. His aircraft was hit in the wings and engine , and he forced-landed in the water off one of the beaches......Meanwhile the second Martlet had followed his leader into the attack, but seeing two more Moranes following him he turned and shot down one of them. The pilots of the Martlet section which was flying above as top cover ,seeing the dogfight below them, dived and shot down the three remaining Moranes."

Strangely, it does not name the pilots of the first section but lists the claims of the second: Lt. C.C. Tomkinson (1) and Lt. J. Waller (2), and also mentions that Tomkinson claimed a Potez 63 the previous day.
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According to the French unit's ORB, only three Morane were airborn at that time: n°995 flown by Captain Jean Assollant, n°993 by Commandant François Leonetti and n°842 by Lieutenant Michel Laurant.

Leonetti and Laurant survived but Jean Assollant did not. He was reported as "MIA". His body was found several month later. And according to the testimony done by the person who found the wreckage, it seems that Assollant was probably killed shot down after a "face to face", the engine of his Morane showing some front hits..

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Old 6th December 2019, 12:20
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Bruce,

As you probably already know, the six claims by 881 are found in Dust Clouds in the Middle East and no probables are mentioned. The only other claim I have found is by Mid.(A) Andrew Cameron Lindsay, RNVR of 881 for an unidentified twin engine aircraft damaged on 6 May 42 at 06:00 [per Sturtivant in Fleet Air Arm Aircraft 1939 to 1945].

Also from Sturtivant, B Flight of 800 Sqn. destroyed 3 MS.406s and 4 Potez 63s on the ground at Diego Suarez on 5 May.

I have not found any fatalities for 881 on that date or during that period. The only FAA fatalities on 6 May at Madagascar were a crew of an 829 Swordfish [Sturtivant and CWGC website].

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Tom
The "three Morane and four Potez 6311 " claims maybe come from this logbook

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Old 7th December 2019, 20:18
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Franck,

Thanks for the details. Sturtivant has Lt. J.M. Bruen flying Z4039 on the May 5 strafing but I see that Lt.(A) R.J. Cork's name is at the bottom of the page. Whose log book is this?

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Old 7th December 2019, 21:22
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This page is part of R.J Cork's logbook. I have only the pages dedicated to Madagascar but you can ask the FAA museum to get the entire logbook. But I think the best is to visit FAA museum archives and to do copy by yourself with a camera.
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Old 7th December 2019, 21:24
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Franck,

Thanks for the details. Sturtivant has Lt. J.M. Bruen flying Z4039 on the May 5 strafing but I see that Lt.(A) R.J. Cork's name is at the bottom of the page. Whose log book is this?

Tom
I think Ray was right because it depends at what time.. The Hurricane went two times for straffing at Diego Arrachart...
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Old 8th December 2019, 00:09
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Thanks again, Franck.
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Re: Operation Ironclad claims

Thanks also Franck.

Martlets on Illustrious 1942.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1kLdpu9PUI

Martlet serial nos I can make out are: AM992, AM996 and AM968 (or 966).
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