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Old 26th January 2005, 10:46
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A strange Bf 109E...

Hello,

A couple of days ago a number of photos showing a strangely equipped Bf 109E was posted on a Polish discussion forum ( http://www.odkrywca-online.com/pokaz....php?id=150283 ). Sadly, the discussion itself led to no definitive answers about the purpose or properties of the strut suspended under the aircraft. The guy who posted the photos states, he had some of them from his friend, a Luftwaffe collector, while he received the rest via internet from Spain... Strange enough?
Does anybody have any ideas what was this installation intended for? There were many theories - e.g. a flamethrower, refuelling pipe, shaft for towing gliders - none too convincing...













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Old 26th January 2005, 14:48
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This was also discussed the other day at HyperScale. I particulary favor the idea that it may be a reproductive organ.

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cg...;show_parent=1
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Old 26th January 2005, 17:48
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I am of the opinion that this was a smoke discharge device to make it more difficult to accurately shoot at the aircraft. Another possibilty is a flamethrower. At least two photographs exist showing two pipes protruding from the tail of a German bomber. One photo shows the flamethrower ignited while in flight. Source: Geheimprojekte der Luftwaffe, Band III.



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Old 26th January 2005, 18:17
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...and there was a lengthy discussion here too - http://p069.ezboard.com/fluftwaffeex...picID=29.topic
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Old 26th January 2005, 20:46
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Those shots came from my site...

... they were sent to me back in 2001 by a friend with the exact same question. He got them from his father, a P-47 crewman in Europe. I redid the page in 2002 and a couple of the images seem to have gone missing- I need to fix that.

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/articl...in/t_drain.htm

I certainly don't mind them being spread around, but proper credit would be nice...

Now, as to what it is, someone has suggested it is a smoke layer... all well and good, but that's an awfully large amount of kit for such a procedure. I had also heard it might've been involved in high-altitude deicing trials, but it would have to carry a LOT of water to dispense as ice crystals... so ultimately, who knows!

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Old 26th January 2005, 21:53
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Hi Lynn... credit for the image has been added to the thread on the LEMB linked above... Great image nonetheless...
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Old 27th January 2005, 09:47
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Thanks for the links!
O boy, how could I overlook these discussions earlier?

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Old 27th January 2005, 12:31
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Didn't the Luftwaffe have a standard smoke dispenser?

The type I have in mind doesn't look anything like this.

Certainly know how the Soviet dispenser looked and its also very different in design, these things would probably not look too different in basic shape and design dictated by function.
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Old 27th January 2005, 15:25
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Hmm, I do not see any hose, pipe nor inlet/outlet. Frankly, it looks like a mast for a small yacht. I think someone noted that it is similar to some TV antennas flown by US aircraft post-war. Perhaps this is a simple question for someone interested in history of electronics?
Also, the loss should appear on some loss lists, should not it?
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Old 27th January 2005, 17:02
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modified Bf 109T

Since the Bf 109T was originally intended for the German Navy, and 109Ts were in fact used for convoy patrols in 1941-1942, my guess is that this example was used to test a smoke generator for shipping protection. The huge size and bulk of the equipment is surprising, but this is true whatever its purpose -- "overengineering" is all I can say.
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