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Old 10th March 2016, 19:14
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looking for information on a crew of a Legion Condor He111

Could I have some help to gather data (pictures, personal story) on the crew of the Legion Condor He111 WNr. 2214 which crashed on 25.1.39 in the French Pyrenées mountains?

This crew was :

Pilot:
Claus Bötker,
Uffz. Fritz Seiler,
Uffz. Armin Möller
Uffz. Otto Adler.

A picture of one of the graves is attached.


Story of the A/C is there :

http://aerocherche.fr/index.php/arti...e-condor-tomba

Thanks in advance

GC


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Old 20th March 2016, 15:35
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Re: looking for information on a crew of a Legion Condor He111

Hello,
Where are the graves located? thank you
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Old 20th March 2016, 16:03
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Re: looking for information on a crew of a Legion Condor He111

Thy are in Berneuil graveyard,
which is located in Charente department,
in west of France;
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Old 20th March 2016, 19:55
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Re: looking for information on a crew of a Legion Condor He111

Thank you. Is there photo of the other two crew member's gravestone?

In the other hand it is my guess Lt.Claus Bötker was not the pilot but the observer. In most cases in LC crews (also in WWII) the airplane's commander was the most qualified as in the case of observers (usually officers) the pilot was considered in Luftwaffe a merelly a 'chauffeur' and could be sergeants and NCO's.

I have entries in Flugbucher about Heinkel 25-12 when 'collected' by the VB/88 in Seville after his ferry flight from Germany, via Palma de Mallorca island, at the beguinning of August 1937. This airplane was built in Heinkel plant some weeks before, according the data plate found by you.
This plane was named when in the 1.K/88 as 'Armin Höyer'. That's explain in the police report the fuse fragment with the tittle 'NHOYER'.

I have sent you a message to your email address

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Old 21st March 2016, 13:16
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Re: looking for information on a crew of a Legion Condor He111

Here we go, Fran

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GC

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Old 21st March 2016, 18:46
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Merci Gilles,

Have you received my email with the flugbuch scan?

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Old 21st March 2016, 19:05
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Re: looking for information on a crew of a Legion Condor He111

not yet but I will do this promptly.

Mucha Gracias !

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Old 21st March 2016, 21:12
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Re: looking for information on a crew of a Legion Condor He111

Hello,
I think I have identified the selector you found. Not sure what was its function on the steering column. Maybe to block the tail Wheel?
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Re: looking for information on a crew of a Legion Condor He111

Thanks Fran,

if you are interested in the parts we found, you can PM your email address and I will send you pictures.

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Hello,

PM sent with email address

Merci
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