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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 identity
Hello Dirk,
there is no connection with the initially inquiry. According to the Luftwaffe Kracker database Lt Helmut Becker was KIA on 12 March 1945. He was shot down by friendly AAfire, crashed at Kripp southeast of Remagen and was buried in Bodendorf. He flew the Fw 190 D-9 600662 black 18. Regards Leo |
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 identity
fliegerschicksal
I have Lt. Helmut Becker, 7./JG 2, KIA on 45-03-12 near Kripp (Germany) Frans.A |
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 identity
Reviving an old thread … On 17 October 1944, the Ergänzungsstaffel (Nacht) of III./KG 51 reported "160896, 160384, 760622, change of wings in factory" (source: ULTRA CX/MSS/R341(A)53).
On 21 August, W.Nr. 160(fair indications 6)22 had been in strength with the same Staffel (CX/MSS/T287/103). AFAIK, 760622 wasn't a valid Fw 190 Werk Nummer, so I strongly suspect it should have been 160622, the aircraft on the photo. |
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 identity
The information about 160896 is interesting and new to me. 10 years ago I was looking for information about this Fw 190 G-3 as I own the control stick of this aircraft which an American soldier had removed. The information I published in my book (which came mainly from Nick Beale, ULTRA) is in the following:
"(...) little is known about the history of this particular Fw 190. It was, however, mentioned in two British ULTRA reports. The first one dated August 11, 1944, reported that W.Nr. 160896 was taken into Ergänzungsstaffel (Nacht) I./SKG 10 at Vörden near Osnabrück. Shortly after its arrival I./SKG 10 was re-designated III./KG 51 and the Ergänzungsstaffel was similarly redesignated. The second ULTRA report dated October 14, 1944, stated that W.Nr. 160896 was removed from Ergänzungsstaffel (Nacht) III./KG 51 at Vörden. At the beginning of November 1944, Ergänzungsstaffel (Nacht) III./KG 51 was renamed 14./Schlachtgeschwader 151 (14./SG 151). Hence, ‘removed’ could very well mean that the aircraft was simply transferred to 14./SG 151. And indeed, the Bestandesmeldungen (inventory reports) state that all aircraft of Ergänzungsstaffel (Nacht) III./KG 51, namely one Fw 190 A-3, two Fw 190 A-4, one Fw 190 G-2, and four Fw 190 G-3 were taken off strength in October 1944, while the inventory of 14./SG 151 at the beginning of November 1944 consisted of exactly the same number and type of aircraft. (...)" If the aircraft was sent back to the unit after it received new wings, it may be that the "correct" unit of 160662 was 14./SG 151. |
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 identity
Glad to be of help. I don't know if 14./SG 151 was ever active in the West, only that it operated against the Russians (from Berlin-Staaken) in 1945. I think (from memory) that it had been based at Schroda (Sroda, Poland) before Berlin and that it ended the war at Vaerlose, Denmark.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 identity
You are right. It may well be that 160896 did not return to 14./SG 151, but was sent to another unit. Possibly NSG 20 like 160662 (if it was indeed NSG 20).
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 identity
Nick (Roger)
Without wishing to put any spanner in the wheels, I still want to know how written in stone the ID of WNr 160662 is? Reason I ask is that I have only one production list of the Focke Wulf 190 G and that is in Smith/Creek Classic Fw 190 Vol 2 where of course 160662 is not listed. They have a rather unconvenient gap between 160650 and 160681! Checking for alternatives, the only other aircraft ending with 60662 was a Fw 190 A-8 WNr 960662. I do realise it is far more probable that KG or NSGr were operating F/G models than late A models, but I do recall some units used mixed versions. Cheers Stig |
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 identity
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In CX/MSS/T287/103 you will see an Fw 190 G-3, "160(C%6)22". The "(C%6)" means there are fair indications that the number is a "6". And there is a G-3 "1(B%6)0663" in the same list (B% = "strong indications"). In CX/MSS/R341(A), paragraph 53: the number is given as "760622", coming straight after two 160… series numbers. Easy to confuse a hand written, German "long-tailed" figure 1 with an uncrossed 7. Taking those two sources together, I think that 160622 is the most likely Werk Nummer and the photo is further support. |
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 identity
The third G-3 batch from Sorau is running from 160601 up to 160700 - without gaps.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190 identity
Thanks Nick
Yes I agree it is a good case and with Gerhard's input, it looks like 160662 is indeed the "culprit" Thanks to you as well Gerhard Very interesting update of these WNr. Will change my own list accordingly!! Cheers Stig |
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