ID Bf110's of Stab./ZG76, 1941, need help.

[markjsheppard]

Originally Posted by Maciej Góralczyk

Mark, are these the photos you're looking for?



What is interesting, is that Kriegel earlier (February-April 1941) flew another 'Dita 13', most likely a Bf 110 C-4 WNr. 3271, which carried 6 victory bars on the tail fin...

A photo of 'Lony 13' was sold on Ebay in 2015:

Afternoon Maciej,

The first two I have seen. These are of interest as you can see the last letter ??+?E. There is another of a Bf110 not not linked. Its on an airfield, starboard side with the 'Dita13' emblem visible. Can't link it as besides it coming up in Google images (small), when I click on it, it only goes to Evgen's post.

See two different aircraft. The later with deeper oil coolers.

regards,

Mark

[Chris Goss]

From my RK book research, Grabmann (far more senior to Groth) became Jafü Norway in June 41 before taking command of Z.Schule 2 a few months later. Groth took command June/July 41 and then killed 12 Aug 41. Cannot say there was ever any connection

[Maciej Góralczyk]

Originally Posted by markjsheppard

Afternoon Maciej,

The first two I have seen. These are of interest as you can see the last letter ??+?E. There is another of a Bf110 not not linked. Its on an airfield, starboard side with the 'Dita13' emblem visible. Can't link it as besides it coming up in Google images (small), when I click on it, it only goes to Evgen's post.

See two different aircraft. The later with deeper oil coolers.

regards,

Mark

Sorry, I double-posted the same link, I've now corrected the previous post.


I'm still curious about the scoreboard, as like I mentioned earlier, the earlier 'Dita 13' (whose one of the photos was posted by Chris) had 6 victory bars on the tailfin

[carlmu]

His name was Erich, not Walter. The writing in the loss list is wrong. Also the plane was M8+KC, not a 110C but a 110E

[carlmu]

Originally Posted by BrianC

Hi guys

To continue the hi-jack, if I may -

We know that Grabmann was promoted and posted in August 1941.

Was there a connection with Major Walter Groth's posting, who was killed in an air accident on 13 August, when on his to Kirkenes to take command of Z-Staffel (or Stab/ZG76?

Cheers
Brian

I saw this old posting only recently. It seems you are referrikng to the german loss list, which is full of errors. Major Erich Groth and Bordfunker Hebert Muche left Stavanger on 12.08.1941 for Kirkenes with planned stop in Trodheim. Due to bad weather they crashed half way to Trondheim in the vally Fødalen in Buskerud. Their bodies and the wreck were not found until two years later.
The quartermaster has misspelled Groths first name, misspelled the plane as M8+TC instead of M8+KC and as a Bf 110 C instead of as E. Yhe crash site is as we know not Kirkenes, but was probably entered as the plane was supposed to end the flight there.
Much of the remnants ot the wtreck is still in Fødalen.
T