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Old 4th April 2012, 18:30
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ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

Hi!
New photo album in the mail today.
One picture of one Heinkel H-111 lost at Verdalsora in Norway spring 1940
You could read CC on the right wing I think.

Anybody have this in their lists?

Happy Easter holiday!
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Old 5th April 2012, 00:55
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Re: ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

Happy Easter to you too.

...an interesting one, I cannot find anything for this. I'm not totally convinced by the CC coding. Looks like a I./KG 26 aircraft?

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Old 5th April 2012, 11:34
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Re: ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

Ian!
Thanks once again for replying to my threads.

I have looked at the picture once more and I think this is Vaernes(Værnes) airfield by Trondheim. If you look under the left wing of the Heinkel you could see what I believe is a JU87 Stuka with extra fuel tanks. The mountain in the back is also something I do recall as area around Vaernes.

The soldier who most likely was with the 181 ID thar is the prior owner of this album landed on Jonsvatnet in the early April and there are picture of the troop walking to Vaernes airfield where I belive this Heinkel photo is taken.
Do to other pictures in the album I think this Heinkel went down on Vaernes between 22.April and in the early Mai.
There are pictures of the battle of Verdal which tell me that this must be early in the campain the picture is taken.

Maybe there is more alternatives now?

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Re: ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

On 14.5.40 He 111 of stab II./KG26 crash-landed at Trondheim-Vaernes.

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Re: ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

..and depending on the colour of the emblem/prop hub and the mysterious wing coding, other alternatives could be;
14-05-1940 Heinkel He 111 H 5./KG 26 hit by British A/C 803 Sqn Skua, 30% loss, Force landing at Vaernes.
17-05-1940 Heinkel He 111 H, 3./KG 26 hit by British A/C 800 Sqn Skua, Landed at Vaernes
22-05-1940 Heinkel He 111 H II./KG 26, British flak, 45% loss, Landed Vaernes
22-05-1940 Heinkel He 111 H-3 II./KG 26, 1H + CN, British flak, 80% loss, Landed probably at Vaernes
24-05-1940 Heinkel He 111 H-3 II./KG 26, 45% loss, poss Landed at Vaernes
26-05-1940 Heinkel He 111 H 2./KG 26, hit by British A/C 263 Sqn Glad, Landed Vaernes


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Old 5th April 2012, 15:27
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Re: ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

Thank you gents!

Will note your info about this.
It is possible in time that there will be more pictures from Vaernes published that will identify this one.

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Re: ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

No mystery: CC is 1H+CC.

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Old 5th April 2012, 20:53
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Re: ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

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No mystery: CC is 1H+CC.

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Hi Robert!

Is there any additional info about the incident,crew?

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Re: ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

Hello,

I've seen the application of the a/c code letter to the fronts of the wings of other He111s, especially on KGr100 a/c during 1940. However, I've also noted it on a few photos of KG26 a/c. I'm looking for examples to make sure that the pattern and timing of the use of this is illustrated accurately in the EoE Profiles. My experience is that if one a/c in a Gruppe has this during a particular time period, all a/c in the unit would similarly have it. So very likely, all He111s of II./KG26 probably carried this on the front of the wings, just outboard of the engines, during the spring of 1940. This is the first time I remember seeing a two-letter code on the wings.

I just ran a DB search, and I found this same pattern in a light color on 1H+FM of 4./KG26, down at Sneaton Whitby Yorkshire England on 03.09.40, and an He111 of 5./KG26, 1H+HN, in a dark color (probably red) on both wings about 05.40. Also 1H+DN of the same Staffel (dark color) down on the ice on a lake in Sweden on 14.05.40. The questions now are:

a) when did this practice start?

b) how long did it continue?

c) did the other Gruppen of KG26 also use this marking?

Addressing more directly the subject of John Fredrik's post, if Robert is correct, and he almost always is, we're looking for other photos of 1H+CC. I've already checked the EoE photo DB, and nothing turns up there, at least in a searchable form. So that is what you're looking for are other photos of an a/c with that code, and an incident relating to a FL by a Stab II./KG26 a/c during the spring of 1940 in Norway. Since this is a time-frame gap that I have yet to fill, this could be a likely EoE Profile candidate if we can find further photos of this one.

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Re: ID help: Heinkel h-111 Kg 26 Verdal - Norway

Hi!

Here is a link that shows another Heinkel from 6/II/KG26 with marking on the wings.

http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/skjomen.html

Looks like it was common on KGr100 a/c during Norwegian/Danish campain and BOB,have seen many photgraphs of that in books I have regarding KGr100.

Most common is one letter mark soo this picture in my album is the first a/c I have seen with two letters. Why two letters on this one?

Larry: My scanner is now working. Was the last pictures i send you ok?

Cheers!

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