ME 109 Rheims September 1944

[waldo_pepper]

ME 109 at Rheims Airfield September 1944.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

A most interesting shot, Waldo Pepper:

Bf 109 G-6/AS W.Nr. 162080 "RW+EC" "Grüne 9", Stab JG 11 (?), Reims-Champagne, Fall 1944. Source: AI2(G) Serial 255.

Was it found on a website or is it from your collection ? Whatever, many thanks!

Cheers
Marc

[Heuser]

Great photo!

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

"...Stab JG 11 (?)..."

Marc-André - this was a recce a/c, fitted with the "Rüstsatz 2" (see Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report or the Air Technical Intelligence Report for Reims a/f).

At least NAGr.13 lost two more 109 of this Werknummerblock (162 066 and 162 067).

Regards,

Heuser

[Broncazonk]

What color is that aircraft?? Is that 76 from nose to tail?

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Heuser

Great photo!



Marc-André - this was a recce a/c, fitted with the "Rüstsatz 2" (see Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report or the Air Technical Intelligence Report for Reims a/f).

At least NAGr.13 lost two more 109 of this Werknummerblock (162 066 and 162 067).

Regards,

Heuser

Yes, and it was reported damaged 25% at Fl.Pl. Juterbog-damm earlier in mai in II./NAG 102.
AI2(g) precise G-6/R2 .... fitted with MW50 and cameras!

I don't see AS half-moon cowling and since the gun through are closed there is no need of "normal" G-6 beule .. this is a G-6, not a G-6/AS.

Hence a G-6/R2 like described in AI2(g) report, when it was described as a G-6 in II./NAG 102 accident report.

Regards, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Many thanks, Heuser, for tying this unit's machine down. Franck, we do see very clearly the curvature of the upper gun and engine cowling. Obviously a G-6/R2/AS...

Cheers
Marc

[ouidjat]

Hi Marc,

Since that machine was in use in II./NAG102 before the fact that NAGr.13 got machines with close WNr. is a mere coincidence.
But, in the mean time, I don't see any other possible NAGr. in France than NAGr. 13 during that period + 3./NAGr.14 Under Satb NAGr.13 command.

I see nothing, sorry, and I'm surprise two reports name it a G-6 ..

Regards, Franck.

[Charles Bavarois]

Hello Guys,

seems that it was an AS-bird, when it was captured.

There is an ULTRA-report on a message from 4./(F) 123 to (F)/123 dated 13. August 1944, on receiving seven rebuilt "Me 109 G6 U2 R2 with ASM-engine" from the Werft. Werknummer 162080 was among them.

The a/c were equipped with "methy-alcohol water injection", Rb 50/30 and one engine-mounted MG 151. They were prepared for FuG 16z and FuG 25a, but did not have the radios themselves.

HTH

Carl

[Nick Beale]

ULTRA CX/MSS/R.276 (C),70

Report signed KOHLA dated 13/8 to TO:-

A/c (plural) Me 109 G-6, U2, R2, with ASM-engine, Works Nos. 162080, 163006, 26043, 27172, 20583, 161732, 163491, taken over from Workshop Guyancourt. Equipment for all a/c, methyl-alcohol water injection system, automatic mosaic camera 50/30. 1 engine (blot) 5120 [MG 151/20], FuGe 16Z, FuGe 25A, installation sets without equipment.

NOTE: Source believes this was from 4.(F)/123 and was almost certainly to (F) 123.

[Heuser]

Perfect, so this was an a/c of 4.(F)/123 - "KOHLA" is obviously Oblt. Werner Kohla, Staffelkapitän of this unit.

Regards

Heuser