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I/JG1,08/02/44
Good Evening
Absent in the list of T.Wood,but in the old study of J.Prien (JG1/JG11 Vol.2) Can someone confirm these claims? (with place of claims) Ofw Piffer=1 B-17....place? Maj.Schnoor=1 B-17...place? time? Gefr.Marek=1 B-17...place? time? Fw.Köhne= 1 B-17...place? time? Thanks in advance Michel |
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Re: I/JG1,08/02/44
From my claims list - including those from the recent "Jagdfliegerverbande" volume. The first claim for Marek is from the original JG 1/11 and/or Woods list, I think (based on the way he referenced the claims.) It is NOT in the most recent lists - I probably should delete it. There are significant updates in the latest books versus the original published lists - the reference 'Prien/Bock' refers to the latest source. (The field after the aircraft type would be the location, if known, so, for example, for the Piffer claim '-' means unknown or not reported.)
08-Feb-44, Gefr., , Marek, I., 2., JG 1, B-17, -, -, -, -, -, Prien: JG 1 List f. 1201, , , 08-Feb-44, Ofw., Anton-Rudolf, Piffer, I., 2., JG 1, B-17, -, 12.17, 16., 182, yes, Prien/Bock, , Prien: JG 1 List f. 1201, 08-Feb-44, Uffz., Rudolf, Martin, I., 1., JG 1, B-17, PlQu. 05 Ost S / SR-7: 7500m, 12.45, 2., 183, yes, C.2025/I, Anerk: Nr. 3, Prien/Bock, At PlQu. RJ 7: 7500m [10km nördlich Montcornet] per claim? 08-Feb-44, Ltn., Hans, Berger, I., 1., JG 1, B-17, PlQu. 05 Ost S / SR-2/7: 8700m [10km südlich Chimay], 12.52, 3., 184, yes, C.2025/I, Anerk: Nr. 4, Prien/Bock, At PlQu. RJ 2: 8700m [10km südlich Chimay] per claim? 08-Feb-44, Major, Emil, Schnoor, I., Stab I., JG 1, B-17, -, -, 12., 185, yes, Prien/Bock, , Prien: JG 1 List f. 1201, 08-Feb-44, Fw., Walter, Köhne, I., 3., JG 1, B-17, -, -, 12., 186, yes, Prien/Bock, , Prien: JG 1 List f. 1201, 08-Feb-44, Uffz., Herbert, Dosch, II., 5., JG 1, P-47, PlQu. 05 Ost S / QJ-7: 3000m [Fourmies], 12.30, 1., 611, yes, C.2025/I, Anerk: Nr. 77, Prien/Bock, |
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Re: I/JG1,08/02/44
I wonder if those missing claims were just not confirmed. Frankly, I would wish to see a list with such not confirmed claims, as they help to understand the course of events.
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Re: I/JG1,08/02/44
With the exeption of the claims of Berger and Martin (precise location,time),identified victims,I have the impression that the "other claims" of I/JG1 were not officially transmitted to the RLM for confirmation.
michel |