Me 262 WNr. 130177 lost 14 July 1944

[Karoband]

Gentlemen,

There are conflicting accounts as to who crashed in this aircraft:

"... It (3./KG51) suffered its first loss four days later (14 July 1944) when Stabsfw. Mosbacher [sic] was killed when his aircraft, W. Nr. 130177, crashed into the Ammersee while making a practice bombing run ..."
- Smith & Creek, Me 262 Volume Two, (1998) p. 360.


"...130177 Call sign SQ+WP. Me 262 A-2a. Stabsflugfuhrer R. Mossbacher of Kommando Schenck (I./KG51) at Lechfeld, was killed in this aircraft on 14 July 1944 during a bomber training flight in the Ammersee area ... Conflicting information states the pilot was Uffz. Bentrott of 3./KG51 ..."
- O'Connell, Me 262 Production Log, (2005) p. 37.


"... The first known loss to be suffered be suffered by I./KG51 occurred on 14 July when the Me 262A-1a [sic] of Unteroffizier Walter Bentrott of 3. Staffel, assigned to Kommando Schenck, crashed in Lake Ammersee ..."
- Forsyth with Creek, Me 262 Bomber and Reconnaissance Units, (2012) p. 16.


I have two questions:

1. Which pilot crashed in WNr. 130177?

2. What was Mossbacher's first name?

Kind regards,

Jim Geens

[Nick Beale]

An Uffz. Engelbert Mosbacher was killed near Le Mans on 14 July but that's pretty clearly not the same man. There's no Mossbacher (double-s) in the German War Graves records who died in July 1944, nor a Bentrott.

Incidentally, there are only 18 double-s Mossbachers in the German phone book, 290 single-s Mosbachers and 8 Bentrotts.

[Karoband]

Wow, thanks very much, Nick. What a mystery.

Jim

[udf_00]

http://archive.is/yeRsO
Moßbacher, Robert
Born 28.01.1897 in Friedelsheim
????

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by udf_00

http://archive.is/yeRsO
Moßbacher, Robert
Born 28.01.1897 in Friedelsheim
????

That's interesting. It looks like he was a civilian company pilot rather than a Luftwaffe one. That would explain the absence of any war grave information.

[Karoband]

Thank you, udf_00. That perhaps explains the unusual title of Stabsflugfuhrer.

Jim

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

According to the NVM the pilot of 130177 was Uffz. Walter Bentrott born 28 Sep 1919 in Kolberg.

Regards,

Norbert

[Karoband]

Thank you, Norbert. Indeed, as Dan O'Connell said it is conflicting information.

Jim

[Dan O'Connell]

I just presented both, hoping other info would be available later.

[Karoband]

Does anybody have any information on Stabsflugfuhrer Robert Mossbacher's role in the crash of Do 335 V2 CP+UB?