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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
Hi Nick, this is an interesting question. There were pilots with only 1 claim, which in the end was verified as a real victory. This is 100% accuracy.
(Eg.: Fw. Erich Pilz (6./SG.10, Fw 190F), who on November 16, 1944 at Szeged-NW claimed a DC-3 at low altitude of 75 m, in fact downed a soviet 4 GvBAK Douglas C-47A-50-DO, S/N: 42-24140. Brave Russian pilot, Gv.Capt. Petr Timofeevich Alexeenko belly landed the burning Douglas which was a complete loss. Passenger, commander of 5 GvAD DD, Gv.Col. Pavel Ivanovich Kondratev (1899-1944) died later the day in field hospital No.5202.) Others, let's say claimed eg. 100 planes, but only 30 of them were destroyed. This is 30% accuracy. Now which one is 'better'? 30 or 1 real victory? 100%, or 30% accuracy? Statistic are tricky and hard to determine what is good, and what is bad. Overclaims were well known everywhere, including in the Royal Hungarian Air Force. Many publications describe the battle of the Hungarian 101/5. Squadron Bf 109G fighters against the 18 soviet 861 BAP Bostons and 5 Yak-9 fighters over Lake Balaton on March 23, 1945 with significant results: Fekete Ottó zls.: Boston III. at Siófok-W Báthy János hdgy.: Boston III. at Siófok-W Nyári György hdgy.: Boston III. at Siófok-W Kérges László szkv.: Yak-9 at Siófok-NW Nánási Kálmán hdgy.: Yak-9 at Siófok-SW at 11:42. But checking the soviet loss reports, we found, that only a single Boston was lost, all of the others, including the 659 IAP Yaks were just damaged. A-20G-30-DO Boston, S/N: 43-9582 (R-2600-23 engines: 83022, 82898) was hit, turned to the East and by rapidly loosing altitude, belly landed at Balatonfőkajár, just a few kms East of Siófok. Plane burned. Now who destroyed this plane? Fekete, Báthy or Nyári? I do not know. 3 bomber claims in a small area within a short period of time. Crew of 17 VA, 244 BAD, 861 BAP A-20G, No. 43-9582 on March 23, 1945: gv.ml.lt. Oganes Mkrtichanovich Dzhanzhutov (head injury upon crashlanding) ml.lt. Evgenii Kazimirovich Sleshinskii (unhurt) Sgt. Valentin Fodorovich Bogdanovskii (leg injury by fighter fire) Sgt. Ivan Artemevich Lushkin (leg injury by fighter fire) (Plane was erased from combat service in the March 26, 1945 mechanical report.) Gabor Last edited by HGabor; 12th January 2020 at 04:39. |
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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
Awesome stuff, Gabor!
Have you seen Ivan Lavrinenko's work on the Straits of Kerch fighting? It shows that Lipfert was astonishingly accurate in the early part of his career too. So has Peter Kassak's work for the end of the war. I have been able to construct a victory list for him as follows: Helmut Lipfert 1st claim 30.1.43/1247 La-5 1km N of Malaya-Balabinka (PQ 08693) @ 1200m 437 IAP. Details pending 4 & 5 claims 7.3.43/0820 and 0823 U-2s (claimed as "R-5s") Popochevskaya (PQ 86481) and Ivanovskaya (PQ 86731) @ low altitude 46 GNBAP (The Famous Night Witches), 218 NBAD. Only 2 losses: Serzhants Belyakova and Serebryakova's crews both safe. Transfer flight from Novodzhereliyevskaya to Pashkovskaya, managed to land and were sent to PARM (Barnickel claimed another, making this slight overclaiming between them) 6th claim 14.3.43/0656 IL-2 Sturmovik Novorossisk (PQ 75731) @ 400m Probably claimed against 47 ShAP, gunner Serzhant Nikolai Viktorovich Borisenko was a casualty this area, this date 7th and 8th claims 30.3.43/0625 LaGG-3s Slavyanskaya – Anastasyevskaya sector. Believe one or both of these were from 249 IAP 9th claim 20.4.43/0630 "MiG-1" Abinskaya (PQ 85114) @ low altitude 7 IAP? Pilot possibly survived. Was this actually pilot Barabanov of 15 IAP, forcelanded near the front line with a holed radiator after combat with Bf109s? 13th claim 19.7.43/1355 Yak-1 Balkanskaya (PQ 75263) @ 3000m 42 GIAP lost 1 Yak-1 this date 16th claim 23.7.43/0554 P-39L-1 Airacobra Kievskoye (PQ 76894) @ 500m 16 GIAP. Ml.Lt. Czikmariew KIA 6km NW of Marianskaja village (Soviet sources dated the loss as having occurred the following day) 17th claim 23.7.43/1733 IL-2 Sturmovik Krimskaya (PQ 75264) @ 50m Possibly 618 ShAP. Crews of Ml.Lt. Nikolay Romanovich Shapovalov and Serzhant Stepan Nikolaevich Bazhenov plus Alexey Alexeyevich Beregovskii and Nikolay Rodionovich Vynychenko all KIA (Several claims by the Gruppe in the morning and several in the late afternoon, like this one) 45th claim 5.11.43/1020 Yak-1 Kerch (PQ 66734) @ 1000m No.1276 of 9 IAP ChF. Fedor Gerasemenk forcelanded safely in Soviet territory, aircraft ultimately written off after repairs attempted for just over a month at PARM 46th claim 6.11.43/1155 LaGG-3 ("Yak-7") Eltigen (PQ 66732) @ close to water's surface No. 6751 of 25 IAP. Ml.Lt. Pavel Kornienko ditched but went down with the aircraft 47th claim 11.11.43/1345 IL-2 Sturmovik mH Katerles (PQ 66871) @ close to ground level 210 ShAP. Ml. Lt. Nikolay Mel’nikov (future HSU) WIA in the face and gunner Private Lavrentiy Maslov forcelanded safely, aircraft written off 48th claim 11.11.43/1350 LaGG-3 ("Yak-1") Bagerovo (PQ 66533) @ close to ground level 790 IAP. Ml.Lt. Semen Ledkov KIA 49th claim 12.11.43/0851 Yak-1 Kerch (PQ 66671) @ 800m Overclaiming, no losses at this time. Unit unidentified 50th claim 12.11.43/1047 IL-2 Sturmovik mH Basky (PQ 6664 Mitte) @ 300m 210 ShAP. Overclaiming, two losses to Flak: Ml.Lt. Vasiliy Frolov safe but gunner WIA, aircraft written off plus Ml.Lt. Ivan Belykh and Serzhant Aleksey Uvarov both KIA 51st and 52nd claims 13.11.43/0543 and 0547 2 x Yak-1s Bulganak – Mayak 790 IAP. Overclaiming, only one loss: Ml.Lt. Georgiy Zhadin KIA 53rd claim 14.11.43/0915 LaGG-3 ("Yak-1") Eltigen (PQ 66732) @ close to water's surface 805 IAP or 863 IAP. One loss from each unit: 805 IAP lost Serzhant Aleksandr Ilyich Shvedov KIA whilst 863 IAP lost Ml. Lt. Valid Trakhov forcelanded safely, aircraft possibly written off 54th claim 14.11.43/1350 Katerles (PQ 66531) @ close to ground level Misidentified? 805 ShAP IL-2s were being escorted by 979 IAP LaGG-3s in combat with Bf109s at the time, but 42 GIAP lost Lt Nikolay Smirnov and Ml.Lt Pavel Lutsenko MIA with no trace 55th claim 15.11.43/0615 Yak-1 ("Yak-9") Kolonka (PQ 66643) @ 2500m No. 28153 of 42 GIAP. Mlt.Lt. Nikolay Klaptenko KIA 56th claim 19.11.43/0630 Taman (PQ 66821) @ close to water's surface No. 6616 of 25 IAP. Ml.Lt. Georgiy Kruglyakov KIA 57th claim 20.11.43/0640 LaGG-3 ("Yak-9") Ilich (PQ 66623) @ close to water's surface 790 IAP. Ml.Lt. Pavel Shcherbakov KIA 58th claim 21.11.43/0700 IL-2 Sturmovik Eltigen (PQ 66712) @ 150m Overclaiming, no losses at this time. Unit unidentified 59th claim 21.11.43/0705 Yak-1 Taman (PQ 66821) @ close to water's surface Overclaiming, no losses at this time. Unit unidentified 60th claim 27.11.43/0948 P-39 Airacobra Gromovka (PQ 47771) @ 2500m 16 GIAP. Lt. Veniamin Pavlovich Tsvetkov (8 victories plus 2 shared at this time) WIA (burnt face and left leg) and Ml. Lt. Nikolay Belozerov bellylanded safely with 7 hits in the engine 61st claim 27.11.43/1440 LaGG-3 ("Yak-9") Eltigen (PQ 66732) @ 800m 790 IAP. St.Lt. Anatoliy Kuzminykh KIA on 18th mission 62nd claim 29.11.43/1421 LaGG-3 ("Yak-1") Into the sea E off Eltigen (PQ 66734) @ 2000m 863 IAP. Lt. Nikolay Eliseev safe. Aileron damaged, repaired in the field plus Ml.Lt. Dmitriy Gontsov belly landed safely with hits in the radiator, right gas tank and stabiliser, pilot returned next day (attributed to Flak). Ml.Lt. Fedor Mikhalchenko damaged by Flak and possibly finished off by Barkhorn or Lipfert 66th, 67th and 68th claims 2.12.43/0639, 0648 and 0655 LaGG-3s (the first was mistaken for a Yak-1) Kay Takyl-Feodosia sector 25 IAP-ChF. All appear to be legitimate victories: Ml.Lt. Viktor Ivanovich Verishchenko, Ml.Lt. Ivan Grigor'evich Gordievskiy and Ml.Lt. Dmitriy Andreevich Kusenko all KIA 69th and 70th victories 5.12.43/0725 and 0732 Yak-7 and Yak-1 S of Kossa Tusla and W of Taman 979 IAP. Believed to be legitimate victories 71st claim 5.12.43/1023 P-39 Airacobra Kossa Tusla or E of Kossa Tusla @ close to ground level 66 IAP 329 IAD St.Lt. Pavel Mikhailovich Kamozin (later, 2 x HSU). Possibly finished off after being damaged by Otten or Ellendt 72nd claim 5.12.43/1355 IL-2 Sturmovik mH SW of Kossa Tusla @ close to water's surface 7 GShAP, 8 GShAP and 622 ShAP were all in action. Total losses were just 2 IL-2s lost this date, one of them forcelanded. Three more were damaged 74th claim 9.12.43/1115 Yak-1 N of Taman @ close to water's surface 88 IAP lost one LaGG-3 written off in aircombat 75th claim 11.12.43/1137 Yak-1 ("Yak-7") E of Mayak (Maisk?) @ 5500m 42 GIAP. Ml. Lt. Valentin Smolenko KIA 77th claim 27.12.43/1204 Mayak (PQ 66642) @ 4000m P-39 Airacobra Barkhorn claimed as well These were two claims for 57 GIAP. St. Lt. Enrique Flores 79th claim 29.12.43/0712 Yak-1 W of Melikut @ 800m 790 IAP. Ml.Lt. Georgii F Martynov baled out, but drowned in Straits of Kerch 80th claim 29.12.43/1005 Li-2 ("Boston" or "Douglas") SW of Mayak @ close to ground level Misidentification: this was actually an Li-2 of 1 esc. 9.AP GVF. Kpt. Kurepin and one other badly WIA, 1 man KIA 83rd claim 21.1.44/1153 IL-2 Sturmovik Churubech (PQ 66593) @ 50m 622 ShAP. Kapitan Georgii Sergeevich Karlov (AE CO) MIA (also claimed by Gefr. Werner Cohrs a few minutes earlier) 84th claim 23.1.44/0708 Yak-7 Kerch (PQ 66643) @ 300m 6 GIAP. St.Lt. I I Protasov 86th claim P-39 Airacobra Kerch (PQ 66564 @ 400m) 101 GIAP. St.Lt. G M Zavodchikov 88th claim Boston Kossa Tusla (PQ 66 674) @ 800m (Foennekold claimed as well) 277 BAP. Only one loss: Ml.Lt. A P Grachev and crew all KIA 95th claim 9.4.44/1440 Yak-7 Tomashevka (PQ 476123) @ 1400m Nikolai Petrovich Skvortsov of 274 IAP? KIA on landing back at base? 15 IAP, 402 IAP, 43 IAP, 812 IAP and 9 GIAP all in action this date. Hard to determine exactly who shot down whom 96th claim 9.4.44/1558 Pe-2 German airfield at Grammatikovo (PQ 46634) @ 5300m 366 ORAP, 4 VA. Legitimate victory. Ml.Lt V.I.Nesvetayev taken POW after bellylanding, Ml.Lt I.I.Sopelchenko and St.Serzh Sila both KIA. 4 VA's only Pe-2 loss this date 108th claim 4.5.44/0644 Yak-7 Soki (PQ 36761 or 36763) @ close to water's surface Very likely Lt. Shamil Munasipovich Abrashitov of 402 IAP, (17 kills) KIA (There was a claim by Waldmann at around the same time that is also a contender for his loss) 110th and 111th claims 5.5.44/1038 and 1050 Yak-7s Balaklava/Lapsi Bay One of these may have been Leytenant Ivanov of 402 IAP, 265 IAD. KIA this date, attributed to Lipfert or Hartmann 114th claim 6.5.44/0740 U-2 Belobek (PQ 35441) @ close to water's surface 402 IAP. Lt. Anatoliy Filonov and Semen Denisov both KIA (looking for another pilot of their unit who had been downed earlier) 120th claim 31.5.44/0804 Pe-2 Busila (PQ 78661) @ 600m Possibly 511 ORAP, 5 VA. Crew of pilot Dyadov HSU 122nd claim 4.6.44/1856 Yak-1 Sularni (PQ 78672) @ 1000m 5 VA lost 1 x Yak-9 in air combat this date plus 9 missing to unknown causes. Awaiting details of 17 VA's losses. In any case, this stands a decent chance of being a legitimate victory 123rd claim P-39 Airacobra Zahorna (PQ 78594) @ 1000m 129 IAP, 205 IAD lost 2 x P-39s this date (there were at least 4 claims) 125th claim 5.6.44/1135 Yak-7 Carpiti (PQ 78673) @ 1000m 178 IAP. Legitimate victory. Pilot POW and known to have died in captivity (awaiting further details…) 127th claim 11.6.44/0945 B-17 Flying Fortress Tateroi 15th AAF. 97th BG lost B-17F-50-DL 42-3383. Seeking details of any further losses 128th claim 24.6.44/0942 B-24 Liberator Stefanesti 450th BG lost 41-29227, 42-78380, “Wolf Pack” 42-64454, ” Shoo Shoo Baby” 42-50304, 42-94984; 376th BG lost 42-78190, 42-78373, 42-78111, 42-52547; 96th BG lost 42-73136, 42-100259 (Seeking further details) 129th claim 27.6.44/1034 IL-2 Sturmovik Jassy (PQ 07372) @ 50m 5 VA or 17 VA. Overclaiming, no IL-2s lost this date 145th claim 31.8.44/1020 P-51 Mustang (plus one unconfirmed) Loewes (PQ 47257) @ 400m 52nd FG. Four definite losses: serial of one of the Mustangs was P-51 D-5-NA, 44-13295. Personnel losses were 2/Lt. Paul D Frazier of 4th FS (POW), 42-103395 of 1/Lt. Frank Edward Tomlinson of 2nd FS (POW), 2/Lt. Robert L Davis (of 2nd FS, KIA) and QP-X of Lt. Roy (?) Carlson also of 2nd FS (KIA). All of these were definitely lost to JG 52 Bf109s. A fifth Mustang crashlanded at Madna airfield, Italy upon return 146th claim 17.10.44/1038 Yak-1B ("Yak-11") Hosszúpályi (PQ 18655) @ 3000m 73 GIAP, 6 GIAD, 5 VA. Lt. Malyavin KIA 147th claim 21.10.44/1052 La-5F Öcsöd (PQ 07166) @ 700m 192 IAP, 279 IAD, 5 VA. Ml.Lt. Sukovyants safe 148th claim 23.10.44/1531 IL-2 Sturmovik mH Solnok (PQ 08752) @ 1000m 131 GShAP, 7 GShAD, 5 VA. Crew of Kralkin and Babailov both KIA. Serials of Lipfert's victims were 10620 (factory No.1, Kuybishev) and 302820 (factory No.30, Moscow) 149th claim 23.10.44/1531 IL-2 Sturmovik mH 131 GShAP, 7 GShAD, 5 VA. Pilot Lapinski POW, gunner Filippov MIA. Serials of Lipfert's victims were 10620 (factory No.1, Kuybishev) and 302820 (factory No.30, Moscow) 150th claim 24.10.44/0922 Yak-9T ("Yak-7") Újfehértó (PQ 18272) @ low altitude 150 GIAP, 13 GIAD, 5 VA. Gv.Ml.Lt. Sisko POW 151st claim 27.10.44/1217 IL-2 KR? ("IL-2 Sturmovik mH") Büdszentmihály (New name since 1952: Tiszavasvári) (PQ 18129) @ 1200m Was this from 207 ORAP? 152nd claim 27.10.44/1221 Yak-7 Büdszentmihály (New name since 1952: Tiszavasvári) (PQ 18156) @ 800m Believed to be from 122 IAP. Certainly no permanent losses this date. Overclaiming 153rd claim 13.11.44/1245 Yak-1 ("Yak-3") SE of Jászberény (PQ 98639) @ 4000m No. 42178 or 42188 of 149 GIAP. Ml.Lt. Stepanov safe, hit at this time and place. Made a one-wheel landing and sent off for repairs 154th claim 16.11.44/1239 Yak-1B ("Yak-11") Tura (PQ 98446) @ 1500m 122 IAP, 331 IAD, 5 VA. Kapt. Artemev KIA 155th claim 17.11.44/1105 IL-2 Sturmovik mH Jászberény (PQ 98634) @ 600m 90 GShAP, 4 GShAD, 5 VA. Pilot Kurilov KIA, gunner Ananev fate not mentioned 156th claim 17.11.44/1110 IL-2 Sturmovik mH Jászberény (PQ 98498) @ 400m 90 GShAP, 4 GShAD, 5 VA. Crew of Ivlev and Petrunin both WIA 157th claim 17.11.44/1320 Yak-1B ("Yak-7") Hort (PQ 98426) @ 600m 151 GIAP, 13 GIAD, 5 VA. Gv.Ml.Lt. Noskov MIA 158th claim 23.11.44/1040 Yak-1B ("Yak-9") Atkár (PQ 98435) @ 800m 513 IAP, 331 IAD, 5 VA. Pilot Kuyanov. (The unit also lost pilot Goichenko, underclaiming? Serials were 29156 and 45168 159th claim 5.12.44/1030 Yak-9T Hatvan (PQ 98411) @ 1500m 122 IAP, 331 IAD, 5 VA. Ml.Lt. Erko MIA 160th claim 9.12.44/1505 IL-2 Sturmovik mH Csajág (PQ 88784) @ 1200m 989 ShAP, 136 ShAD, 17 VA. Pilot Ml.Lt. Veretelnikov MIA, Ml.Serzh Bezroukov fate not mentioned 161st claim 11.12.44/1453 Pe-2 Balatonkenese (PQ 88779) @ 4500m 39 ORAP, 17 VA. Crew of Elohov, Uhvatov and Tisenko all KIA 162nd claim 22.12.44/0937 IL-2 Sturmovik mH Börgönd (Székesfehérvár-S, German city name: Stuhlweißenburg) 189 ShAD, 17 VA. Too many losses to be able to match up (likely a legitimate victory though) 163rd claims 23.12.44/1048 Yak-9D Enying Probably 659 IAP, 288 IAD, 17 VA. St.Lt. Salamatov crashlanded after dogfight with Bf109s 164th claim 24.12.44/1425 IL-2 Sturmovik mH Seregélyes Possibly 189 ShAD, 17 VA 165th and 166th claims 25.12.44/1208 and 1215 Yak-9T and Yak-1B (both claimed as"Yak-9s") 611 IAP, 288 IAD, 17 VA. Legitimate victorird. Some losses not yet matched to claims but known to include Capt. Konstantin Leontievich Chernogor KIA in Yak-1B 26170 near Zamoly. Lt. Nikolai Nikolaevich Kutsenko bailed out from his burning Yak-1B, S/N: 41184 also near Zamoly. Ml.lts Dmitrii Gavrilovich Kirichenko, Ivan Ivanovich Aleshkin, Aleksei Timofeevich Fadeev, Boris Aleksandrovich Yablyukhin were also downed 167th claim 2.1.45/1115 La-5 E of Bodmér area 116 IAP, 295 IAD, 17 VA. Ml.Lt. Roi safe 168 2.1.45/1145 Yak-9T 4km E of Vereb 611 IAP, 288 IAD, 17 VA. Ml.Lt. Dimov KIA 169th and 170th claims 4.1.45/0826 and 0828 IL-2 Sturmoviks Tarján Legitimate victories: 210 ShAP, 136 ShAD, 17 VA lost 8 IL-2s this date, including No.10967, 10987, 304836, 18853106. 17 VA lost a grand total of 17 IL-2s this date 171st claim 4.1.45/1041 Yak-9D Bicske 897 IAP, 288 IAD, 17 VA. Ml.Lt. Konovalov WIA 172nd claim 4.1.45/1112 La-5FN Tardos No. 539211399/"99" of 530 IAP, 194 IAD, 17 VA. Ml.Lt. Suhorukhov KIA 173rd claim 8.1.45/1413 A-20B-DL Havoc ("Boston") Börgönd (Székesfehérvár-S, German city name: Stuhlweißenburg) 41-2937 of 449 BAP, 244 BAD, 17 VA. Crew of Vetlov, Ionov, Tolmatski and Burtsev all KIA 174th Claim 8.1.45/1418 A-20G-40-DO Havoc ("Boston") Börgönd (Székesfehérvár-S, German city name: Stuhlweißenburg) 43-21588 of 449 BAP, 244 BAD, 17 VA. Crew of Kruglov, Kudryavtsev, Sikov and Shestakov all KIA 175th claim 14.1.45/1211 Yak-9D ("Yak-3") Muzsla 31 GIAP, 6 GIAD, 5 VA. Gv.Ml.Lt. Bezuglii KIA 176th claim 14.1.45/1436 Yak-9D ("Yak-3") Muzsla Unknown, no match to timing. Previous research stated that one of Lipfert's victories this date may have been 1615342 of 31 GIAP, 6 GIAD, 5 VA. Gv.Ml.Lt. Alexei Yefimovich Stadnichenko KIA 177th claim 16.1.45/1217 La-5 Budaörs This one likely only damaged. 2 La-5s lost this date, both in late afternoon so this does not match. Overclaim. 178th claim 22.1.45/1324 La-5 Stuhlweissenburg 116 or 164 IAP, 295 IAD, 17 VA. Legitimate victory but hard to match up. 116 IAP lost St.Lt. Georgii Konstantinovich Zolotarskii and Ivan Danilovich Plankevich both MIA this date 179th claim 27.1.45/1445 IL-2 Sturmovik 7km NW of Adony 951 ShAP, 306 ShAD, 17 VA. Pilot Lt. Filonovich KIA, gunner Abrosimov MIA 180th claim 22.2.45/1400 La-7 ("La-5") Bart 179 GIAP, 14 GIAD, 5 VA. Gv.Ml.Lt. Pinko WIA 181st claim 22.2.45/1625 Yak-3 Bina Believed to be an overclaim, no matchable loss 182nd claim 25.2.45/1053 Bf109 (claimed as a "Yak-9") Altsohl/Zvolen This was most likely W.Nr. 166248/"Yellow 9" of Grupul 9. Adj. Stag Av. Traian Darjan KIA. If genuinely a Yak: likely 513 IAP, 331 IAD, 5 VA, several losses this date 183rd claim 8.3.45/1410 IL-2 Sturmovik Soponya 136 ShAD or 189 ShAD. Several losses this date, attributed to Flak but this could possibly be one of them 184th claim 11.3.45/1035 Yak-9M ("Yak-3") Suborgarol/ Siófok 611 IAP, 288 IAP, 17 VA. Lt. Kutsenko KIA 185th claim 11.3.45/1405 Yak-3 Siófok Overclaiming? No such permanent loss, - probably damaged, or crashlanded on airfield 186th claim 13.3.45/1013 Yak-9M ("Yak-7") Pákozd 866 IAP, 288 IAD, 17 VA. Lt. Kamenetskii safe 187th claim 14.3.45/1207 La-5FN Székesfehérvár (German city name: Stuhlweißenburg) 39211637/"37" of 164 IAP, 295 IAD, 17 VA. Ml.Lt Iozhitskii POW 188th claim 14.3.45/1211 IL-2 Sturmovik Pákozd 672 ShAP, 306 ShAD, 17 VA. Lt. Mamontov KIA and Serzhant Kovalev both KIA 189th claim 17.3.45/1615 IL-2 Sturmovik Lake Velencei (Velencei-tó) 615 ShAP, 189 ShAD, 17 VA. Crew of Kapt. Nikitin and Gv.Serzhant Apalkov both OK. Was this IL-2 No.1873298 with engine No.257858, downed this date? 190th and 191st claims 20.3.45/1533 and 1541 IL-2 Sturmoviks Székesfehérvár, Várpalota, Gúttamási, Öskü 210 ShAP, 136 ShAD, 17 VA. Losses were 11082/"White 8" of Ml.Lt. Petr Alekseevich Taranovich and St.Serzh Victor Konstantinovich Ogarkov both WIA (crashed NW of Guttamasi) and 1871797/"White 23" of Aleksei Dmitrievich Belyashin and Serzh. Phillip Fomich Verbitski both KIA (crashed at Oesku). These are the two victories that he achieved while drunk 192nd claim 21.3.45/1158 La-5FN Eastern end of Lake Balaton 848 IAP, 194 IAD, 17 VA. St.Lt. Vasilev KIA 193rd claim 21.3.45/1530 Yak-9M (“Yak-5”) Felsőgalla No. 4515340 of 179 IAP, 331 IAD, 5 VA. Lt. Viktor Yakovlevich Ragulin MIA 194th claim 27.3.45/1415 Yak-9T Neutra 122 IAP. Petr Andreevich Filatov 195th claim 27.3.45/1418 IL-2 Sturmovik Neutra 90 GShAP, 4 GShAD. Gv Maj. Aleksandr Grigorievich Kuzin POW and Starshina Alexei Vasilievich Molchanov POW (went to gulag due to POW status) 196th claim 27.3.45/1655 Neutra 27 OKRAP. Dmitri Vasileyich Radichuk 197th claim 28.3.45/1712 Yak-3 Neutra 149 GIAP. Mitrofan Yefimovich Koval 198th claim 1.4.45/1605 La-7 Dioszeg 177 GIAP. Vasili Nikitovich Matveev 199th claim 5.4.45/0945 La-7 Gairing 177 GIAP. Petr Nikolaevich Efimov 200th claim 8.4.45/1554 La-7 Hainburg 486 IAP. Alexei A Spiridonov 201st claim 9.4.45/1720 La-7 Lundenburg (Arno Fischer claimed 5 minutes earlier) 179 GIAP. Pilots Aleksander Tikhonovich Machankov and Vasili Vasilievich Valujev both MIA 202nd claim 14.4.5/1500 Yak-9 Stokerau Day's Yak losses include Nikolaj Vasilyevich Kharitonov HSU, OL, 2 x ORB, OAN, OPW 1st class and Red Star (520 IAP?) baled out but struck tailplane, WIA and Boris Baranov (his wingman) returned but DOW plus Yak-9M No.5315311 of 659 IAP and Yak-3 No.310292 of 897 IAP, Ml.Lt. Dmitry Antonovich Ermak, KIA over Ruckersdorf |
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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
Thanks Nick, this is great. I have found Lipfert's claims extremely accurate too. Glad to see that others confirm this by researching other periods of his combat service. To me, -at least among the Axis fighter aces, flying over Hungary- definitely Lipfert was the most reliable, top ace.
Else. What I found interesting in the soviet documents is that the soviet pilots regularly confused the Bf 109 and Fw 190 models in the air. (vice versa) Especially is the cloudy, dark, fall, or winter months. It is clear that an SG.10 Fw 190F downed the C-47A on November 16, 1944 near Szeged, yet the soviets thought it was a Bf 109. Cheers, Gabor Last edited by HGabor; 12th January 2020 at 04:39. |
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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
Wow... More amazing attachments. Many thanks!
Do you have much on Foennekold's claims during the period shortly before he was killed? Ivan demonstrated that he was the best over the Straits of Kerch |
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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
Sorry, I have no info on that time period.
Gabor |
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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
No problem, Gabor.
Always great to discuss this subject with you |
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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
Gabor/Nick
May I extend my congratulations from Sweden as well. Triggering Gabor to partly lift the lid off his extended files on Soviet aircraft over Hungary is fascinating to say the least. Thank You both and Seasons Greetings as well Cheers Stig |
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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
Cheers, Stig. I hope the season is good to you too. Personally, I cannot wait for this awful year to end and for the 20s to bring better things.
For Gabor, Returning to your instance of the Bostons claimed by the Hungarian pilots, on my own database I tend to try and mark out the most likeliest claim, and/or list the loss(es) alongside the claims as if each has an equal chance of having inflicted the loss or took a share in it. I try to be as fair as possible. I also think it's great that guys like you go further than just making unsubstantiated comments about a pilot's honesty and accuracy in claiming and actually go so far to back up what you are saying with examples of specific combats. |
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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
Thanks Nick, we try what we can ;-) As of the March 23, 1945 dogfight with the 861 BAP Bostons... probably I spoke too fast. I checked the notes and Fekete Ottó zls. ("Ens. Otto Black") reported that the plane he attacked at the end of the bomber formation "exploded" in the air. Well, now we know that none of the Bostons "exploded into pieces", but the left engine of 43-9582 caught fire and "exploded". If you fly behind a plane and an engine flies around you in small pieces, then you see fire and smoke, perhaps you would also describe it as "exploded". Anyways, the word "exploded" is dramatic enough to think that the downed Boston was under Otto's fire. Since I have no other statements from the other 2 guys, I think 43-9582 was probably Otto's victim, - if you have to choose a name. See service record and ferry route of 43-9582 through Brazil, Mid-Africa, Iran to the USSR.
The soviet 861 BAP Boston formation this time was led by Capt. Ivan Grigorevich Petuhov in A-20B, S/N: 41-3230, '28'. Other crews that reported (Hungarian) fighter attacks over Lake Balaton: A-20G, S/N: 42-86850 ('24') - Lt. Boris Grigorevich Sverdlovskii A-20G, S/N: 43-10084 - Lt. Constantin Ivanovich Podkopalov A-20G, S/N: 43-21405 ('8') - Ml.Lt. Alexei Savelevich Lilienko Obviously two of these were the other 2 Bostons, that the Hungarian fighters (~Báthy & Nyári) claimed, but finally they all landed back safely on their bases with different damages. And an interesting question: soviet records say that C-47A, S/N: 42-24140 was lost in Hungary on November 16, 1944. American record of the same plane says it was delivered to Australia. (Check my prev. attachments.) How did this C-47A end up in Soviet service if she was delivered to Australia? Any idea? Cheers, Gabor Last edited by HGabor; 12th January 2020 at 04:40. |
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Re: Peter Duttmann 13,11.44 claims
I really must own the fact that you have stumped me with that one.
Usually these things turn out to be incorrectly recorded details on the part of some desk-clerk somewhere but it's not fair to assert that until one has pinpointed the error |
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