Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Gang,

I just chanced on this ultra rare shot of a WNF Diana Werk Tischnau-Tisnov built Bf 109 G-10, Erg.KG (J), being towed by an ox, probably at Illesheim, in February or March 1945.

www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/15963579733/

Source: estate of Rudolf Sand, former mechanic of KG (J) 55, via historical-media.com:
www.historical-media.com/id1082.htm

Cheers
Marc

[Richard Aigner]

over on a Check site
http://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.p...90638&start=75
The text makes reference to K-6 with MK 108 installation.
Greetings, Richard

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Fols,

As often, chance has its share for finding new gems... Starting from this picture taken at Danzig-Langfuhr, and showing WNF built Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 51. ... "Schwarze 1", 10./JG 51,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631648764713

I began scrutinizing the planes seen in the background until I chanced on what seems to be a Bf 109 K-4 W.Nr. 330xxx-331xxx "Schwarzer Winkel Welle", Stab IV./JG 51.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57631648764713

The combination of the chevron and wave symbol together as a tactical marking is something new for me at that late stage of the war. Any ideas about its meaning and any other examples ?

Cheers
Marc

[RolandF]

Hallo, Marc,
the combination <~+~ is strange indeed. For me it seems to have something to do with the IV.Gruppe and its staff. The double-wave of a late-war IV.Gruppe is quite different than the triple-wave of an early-war III.Gruppe.
The equivalent for the II.Gruppe could be <-+-, which is well known to us - but for the Geschwader staff.
But in case there´s a connection, other combinations with <|+| or <||+| would have quite a different meaning as a Stab marking for the III.Gruppe.
Just a thought. Could it be the late-war staff markings system was entirely changed after the introduction of a IV.Gruppe and the choice of 11,12,13 or 21,22,23 for the Staffel leaders?

Regards

Roland

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks Roland,

For your invigorating thoughts! You might well be on the right track, by tying down those special tactical markings with the introduction of a IV. Gruppe. It remain now a matter of patiently tracking down new photographic evidence... a tireless work indeed

Thanks again
Marc

[RolandF]

Thanks, Marc, but maybe those thoughts turn out to be some kind of dead-end-street.
The inscription "????berg" on "Black 1 + ~" reminds me of the Mühldorf-Mettenheim wrecks with "Flossenbürg" and "Pocking" chalked on the fuselages, Zerlegebetrieb and Reparaturbetrieb vice versa. Maybe we read some Northeast German equivalent.

Regards

Roland

[ouidjat]

Hi Guys,

My only reference being Michael Holm site, I have a question: Did IV./JG51 really had Bf109K-4?
But talking about Danzig-Langfuhr .. JG 1 really had.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Roland,

Highly interesting your pointer to the chalked inscription of @Schwarze 1". Thanks. Franck, check my JG 51 album on Flickr and there you'll see the one known K-4, "Schwarze 1", at Rønne, Denmark. So we can safely assume some K-4 found their way throughout JG 51...

Cheers
Marc

[Andrew Arthy]

Hi,

Yes, IV./J.G. 51 had the Bf 109 K-4 at Danzig in February 1945. I'm sure the 109 experts can add more details.

Cheers,
Andrew A.
Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com/earticles

[ouidjat]

OK, Thanks ... Effectively I have some in lost list.