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29th May 2016, 23:19
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Page 2 has 13 entries, and I refer to them by the model etc as written by the Soviets. I have not altered the records to show information from the new source yet:
12. Me 109 G-2 WNr 14156: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147151 13. Me 109 G-2 WNr 13671: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147634 14. Me 109 E-7 U-2 WNr 3383: Not found - should be an aircraft operated by 8./Schl.G.1 according to the code. 15. Ме 109Е-7 WNr 3604: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142550 16. Me 109E-7 WNr 6047: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142470 17. Me 109E-7 WNr 943: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142474 18. Me 109E-3 WNr 3615: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142464 19. Me 109G-2 WNr 14243: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146185 20. Ме 109Е-7 U-1 WNr 1401: Not found - should be an aircraft operated by 8./Schl.G.1 according to the code. 21. Me 109E-6 WNr 4956: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142462 22. Me 109 WNr 922: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142488 23. Ме 109Е-7 WNr 3382: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142465 24. Ме 109Е-7 U-2 WNr 4824: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142466 Regards, Andreas B
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Ahhh... but I have seen the holy grail! And it is painted RLM 76 all over with a large Mickey Mouse on the side, there is a familiar pilot in front of it and it has an Erla Haube! Last edited by Andreas Brekken; 30th May 2016 at 00:07. 
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#42
29th May 2016, 23:41
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Thank you, Andreas!
Valuable as usual. What do you think about items 14 and 20? Tear and wear? Best regards, Andrey PS items 23 and 24 are with incorrect references (to the main page of your website, not to database records)
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30th May 2016, 01:46
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
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This is BB in flight. And this two photos, when it was found by Soviet troops. Any idea of pilot? Last edited by Evgeny Velichko; 22nd May 2021 at 20:57.
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3rd June 2016, 12:40
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Page 3 has 15 entries, and I refer to them by the model etc as written by the Soviets. I have not altered the records to show information from the new source yet:
25. Me 109 G WNr 14160: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146320 26. Me 109 G WNr 14197: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146898 27. Me 109 E-7 U-2 WNr 2675: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142461 28. Ме 109Е-7 WNr 3378: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142395 29. Ме 109Е-4 U-1 WNr 1997: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142475 30. Me 109E-7 WNr 5214: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142397 31. Me 109F-4/Trop WNr 10230: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=145825 32. Me 109G-4 WNr 7620 (error in the type designation- this was an F-4): http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146776 33. Ме 109G WNr 14164: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=148078 34. Me 109F-4/Trop WNr 10258: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146775 35. Me 109G WNr 13404: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146893 36. Ме 109G WNr 14162: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146187 37. Ju 88A-4/Trop WNr 5653: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146990 38. Ju 88C-6 WNr 0360218: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146884 39. Me 109E-7 WNr 5118: Not identified - again an aircraft which should have been a 8./Schl.G.1 kite. Regards, Andreas B
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Ahhh... but I have seen the holy grail! And it is painted RLM 76 all over with a large Mickey Mouse on the side, there is a familiar pilot in front of it and it has an Erla Haube!
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#45
3rd June 2016, 14:19
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Andreas, thank you again!
It is too early to make a final conclusion but undoubtedly the tables with losses in some books like "Strategy to defeat" by Williamson Murray etc should be corrected. Best regards, Andrey
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#46
3rd June 2016, 14:23
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
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3rd June 2016, 14:43
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Rémi,
Thanks for this link. What you actually see is a WNF built Bf 109 G-14 W.Nr. 511 8x9 "Schwarze 1", from an unknown training unit, possibly found at Schleissheim in May 1945. other pics can be seen here: www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/8037252924 http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...n/photostream/ Cheers Marc
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3rd June 2016, 15:28
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Page 4 has 13 entries, and I refer to them by the model etc as written by the Soviets. I have not altered the records to show information from the new source yet:
40. Me 109 G-2 WNr 13434: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146325 http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=145939 http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=143693 41. Hs 123 WNr 944: Not identified 42. Fi 156C-3 WNr 5013: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147986 43. Hs 123 WNr 2250: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142398 44. Ju 88A-4 WNr 3517: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146306 45. Me 110E-1 WNr 4112: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147241 46. Fi 156D-1/Trop WNr 5675: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=143777 47. Hs 129 : No identifying information available except from the photograph 48. Ме 109E-7 U-2 WNr 3333: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142577 This entry must obviously have an error in the WNr: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=135688 49. FW 189: No identifying information. But as all of the aircraft of 3.(H)/12 (aircraft code identifying the unit) reported as lost between 30.06.1942 and 14.08.1942 had personnel injury involved, someone with access to the NVM of the unit might be able to narrow this down (only 5 losses). 50. Hs 123: No identifying information. Aircraft of Schl.G.1. Red Staffel code. Staffel? 51. Hs 123: No identifying information. Aircraft of Schl.G.1. Green Staffel code. Stab II. Gruppe? 52. FW 189 WNr 0044: Not identified based on this information Regards, Andreas B
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3rd June 2016, 19:58
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4.(Pz.)/Schl.G.1 emblem is seen. Last edited by Evgeny Velichko; 20th July 2017 at 07:30.
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3rd June 2016, 20:20
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