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5th June 2016, 00:36
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Page 5 has 11 entries, and I refer to them by the model etc as written by the Soviets. I have not altered the records to show information from the new source yet:
53. FW 189 A-2 WNr 0233: Not identified based on this information 54. Ju 88A-5 WNr 2336: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=145487 55. Ju-52/3T D-5-E WNr 7078: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=145953 56. Me 109E-3/U1 WNr 1554: Not identified based on this information 57. FW 189D-2 WNr 2301: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146986 58. Me 109E-7 WNr 6060: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=151259 http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142120 59. Me-109 E U-7 WNr 5011: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142389 60. Ju-52 3-M L-4-E WNr 6420: Not identified 61. Hs 123 WNr 2250 : http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142398 62. Ju-52 RM UŠ WNr 5058: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=148465 63. Me 109 WNr 5233: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=162327 http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142467 Regards, Andreas B
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Ahhh... but I have seen the holy grail! And it is painted RLM 76 all over with a large Mickey Mouse on the side, there is a familiar pilot in front of it and it has an Erla Haube! 
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#52
5th June 2016, 01:35
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Hello Andreas,
thank you again! Quote:
Ju-52 3-M D-4-E (Russian "Д", not "Л"). Best regards, Andrey
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#53
5th June 2016, 08:47
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
better: Ju 52/3mg4e --- the "little" german "m" is an Russian "t" and the German "g" is an Russian "d"
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#54
5th June 2016, 10:44
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
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But Andreas try to show the Russian records "as is". Best regards, Andrey
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5th June 2016, 11:49
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Hallo, all!
Yes - I am trying to write these lists up, albeit with the latin characters, as they were recorded by the Soviet intelligence service. Regards, Andreas B
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Ahhh... but I have seen the holy grail! And it is painted RLM 76 all over with a large Mickey Mouse on the side, there is a familiar pilot in front of it and it has an Erla Haube!
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5th June 2016, 15:37
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Page 6 has 13 entries, and I refer to them by the model etc as written by the Soviets. I have not altered the records to show information from the new source yet:
64. Ju-52/3M D-8-E WNr 7521: Not identified 65. Me-109F4 TROP WNr 8769: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=146014 66. Me 109G-2 WNr 13597: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=143692 67. Me 109G-2 WNr 13621: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=112121 68. Me-109E1 U-1 WNr 2941: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142555 69. Hs 123: Not identified 70. DO-17-Z WNr 4249: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147675 71. Me-109C/1 E-7 WNr 3014: Not identified 72. Me 109F-4/Trop WNr 8799: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147133 73. Me-109 F 4 R 1 WNr 13339: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147541 74. Me 109E-7 WNr 4899: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=142573 75. Me-109 F 4-Z WNr 7624: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=148823 http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147393 76. Fiziler-156 C3 TROP WNr 5468: http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=147842 http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=143779 Regards, Andreas B
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Ahhh... but I have seen the holy grail! And it is painted RLM 76 all over with a large Mickey Mouse on the side, there is a familiar pilot in front of it and it has an Erla Haube! Last edited by Andreas Brekken; 5th June 2016 at 23:12. Reason: Updated information/spelling
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#57
5th June 2016, 15:41
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
#65: recording Russian report it was W.Nr.8769 not 8764 and an "F" (how I can read)
#70, 75: the Russian letter is an "Z" (like I've learned in the school)
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#58
5th June 2016, 18:02
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
It would had be greatly smarter, than our russian friends translate all the commentary , preferable to let Andreas try to make it with a dictionnary
Rémi
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#59
5th June 2016, 18:16
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
Item 71 is most likely Bf 109 E-7 WNr. 5014.
Regards, Norbert
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#60
5th June 2016, 18:58
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Re: List from TsAMO of 99 (!) German warplanes and 22 motors captured at the Chir (Tschir) station (Stalingrad area)
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"без моторов" = without motors "без мотора" = without motor Other significant comments: Item 43: remains of tail part [of plane] Item 47: fore part of stub plane Item 50: tail part Item 51: tail part Item 52: stub plane Item 53: stub plane Item 61: stub plane, fore part decomposed Item 63: fore part decomposed Item 69: fore part decomposed Item 70: stub plane only, without fuselage Other remarks are worded description of the emblems mainly. Column 5 - Manufacturer of plane Column 8 - Modification of the motor Column 11 - Manufacturer of motors Best regards, Andrey Last edited by Andrey Kuznetsov; 5th June 2016 at 19:03. Reason: Addition
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