Luftwaffe airfields - coordinates

[Andreas Brekken]

Dear all!

I am currently working on a list of former Luftwaffe airfields, these were under the Kommandierende General der Deutsche Luftwaffe im Ungarn.

Does anyone have the exact coordinates?

Breitenbrunn - Pl Qu 14 OST/79521

Pudmerice - Pl Qu 14 OST/79565

Weinern - Pl Qu 14 OST/79567

Negyod - Pl Qu 14 OST/79899

Veselc - Pl Qu 14 OST/79475

First of a few posts...

Regards,
Andreas

[Larry deZeng]

Andreas -

Not surprising. I have nothing in my list of ±4,400 wartime European airfields that come even close to these. At least half of them are misspelled based on my name recognition familiarity with airfields in Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Eastern Austria. Misspellings are a constant problem in the documents from that period.

Larry

[FrankieS]

Hi Andreas and Larry !
with a little help from my LUMA ;-)
hope this helps:
(all given coordinates below from LUMA calculation, which means
the actual airfield can be up to 1.5-2.0 km nearby)


Sološnica (Slovakia) = Breitenbrunn - Pl Qu 14 OST/79521
N 48° 29' 10'' E 17° 11' 40''
or
N 48.486111 E 17.194444
Map http://wikimapia.org/#lat=48.486111&...4&z=12&l=0&m=h

Budmerice (Slovakia) = "Pudmerice" - Pl Qu 14 OST/79565
N 48° 22' 30'' E 17° 25' 00''
or
N 48.375000 E 17.416667
Map http://wikimapia.org/#lat=48.375&lon...7&z=12&l=0&m=h

maybe the next one has wrong Planquadrat???
Weinern - Pl Qu 14 OST/79567
N 48° 20' 50'' E 17° 21' 40''
or
N 48.347222 E 17.361111
Map http://wikimapia.org/#lat=48.347222&...1&z=12&l=0&m=h
because
Flugplatz Vajnory (Slovakia) = Weinern is located Planquadrat 14 OST/79724
N 48° 12' 09'' E 17° 11' 22''
or
N 48.202500 E 17.189444
Map http://wikimapia.org/#lat=48.2025&lo...4&z=13&l=0&m=h


Neded (Slovakia) = "Negyod" - Pl Qu 14 OST/79899
N 48° 00' 50'' E 17° 58' 20''
or
N 48.013889 E 17.972222
Map http://wikimapia.org/#lat=48.013889&...2&z=12&l=0&m=h

probably Veselé = "Veselc" - Pl Qu 14 OST/79475
N 48° 32' 30'' E 17° 35' 00''
or
N 48.541667 E 17.5833333
Map http://wikimapia.org/#lat=48.541667&...3&z=12&l=0&m=h


Another way to find these places is to enter them into wikipedia, because
often the different names of villages/towns (f.ex. slovakian and german names)
are given on the page of each mentioned one.
Another option is to enter the name into google maps.

bye-bye,best wishes,
FrankieS

[Larry deZeng]

Nice work, FrankieS!

However, I would like to add a comment. None of these "airfields" appear in the Ries/Dierich work, Fliegerhorste, or the Mattiello reference Fliegerhorstkommandanturen und Flugplätze der deutschen Luftwaffe 1935-1945: Einsatzorte und Einsatzzeiten. Nor are they mentioned in the A.I.2.(b)/Air Ministry lists that cover all of the wartime aerodromes, airfields, landing grounds and emergency landing grounds in all of the European and North African countries during the war years. But I think I know the reason for this. On various dates in late 1943 and the first half of 1944, the Luftwaffe ordered its regional commands, such as Kommandierender General der deutschen Luftwaffe in Ungarn, to begin setting up a large number of dispersal fields and satellite fields in the vicinity of established Luftwaffe airfields. This usually took the form of farm fields and meadowland that had been cleared of obstacles like fences, tree limbs, large stones, etc., and approved for landings and take-offs. More often than not, they were not used because the need to do so did not occur. In France, for example, there were nearly 400 of these prepared between Dec 43 and Jul 44. I think this may be what we have here with these 5 or 6 places: alternative landing sites set up in the last years of the war as Allied air power made the established airfields at times too dangerous for operations.

Larry

[SES]

Hi Larry,
The first source you mention is woefully incomplete as we Scandinavians will tell you.
For those who have forgotten all about LUMA here is a link:
http://www.gyges.dk/reporting_grids.htm
you can download it to your PC, so you don't have to be on-line to use it.
bregds
SES

[Larry deZeng]

The first source you mention is woefully incomplete as we Scandinavians will tell you.

Hi SES,

Ries/Dierich was not meant to be complete as it only includes those airfields within the confines of the Großen Deutschen Reich, i.e., Germany, East and West Prussia, the Wartheland, the Czech Protectorate (Bohemia-Moravia), Austria and a few other annexed or nearby territories. Denmark, Norway and Finland were never intended for inclusion. Mattiello is the only one that attempted to include them all. But none of these is 100% complete, not even the constantly updated Allied material.

L.

[SES]

Hi Larry,
No the definite work on this subject still needs to be completed.
bregds
SES

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, FrankieS

I have already done the same excersise using the planquadrat calculations.

Larry is definitely onto something with regards to the status and facilities for these airfields (or maybe we should refer to them as landing grounds?)

I will post some more information on them over the next few days.

Regards,
Andreas B