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Old 15th January 2018, 12:43
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VVS P-39 loss list ?

Hello all, is there any VVS P-39 loss list available somewhere online ? This weekend the remains of one were discovered near Jassy in Romania and I was curious if I could compare the location to some list.

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Old 17th January 2018, 17:56
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Re: VVS P-39 loss list ?

Hello,
Not a specific P39 list but if you care to trawl through these "ace's" then you may get some sort of number.
For example Hartman has claim's for 81 P-39's, date for each is given.
See this link -

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/eastern.html

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Old 18th January 2018, 08:54
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Re: VVS P-39 loss list ?

Thanks Alex, I'll give it a go !
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Old 18th January 2018, 11:24
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Re: VVS P-39 loss list ?

Alex Smart ,

To go by the Luftwaffe , Soviet Fronts losses , AA units and Romanian AAR
claims during 1st and 2nd Iasi- Chisnau offensives as well OBD records
just in order to locate the remains of one Soviet P-39 discovered near
Iasi is like looking for a needle in hay stack !

During the two offensives numerous P-39's were lost around various
perimeters of Iasi claimed by Luftwaffe, Romanian ,German AA
and AAR pilots , in addition some of those claims can't
even be verified through 1st ,2nd and 3rd Ukrainian Fronts records ,
OBD listings or you name it and are not sufficient to locate one P-39
near Iasi . Eventhough a date would be available that won't make
the job easier at all because on specific dates numerous P-39's were lost
near Iasi.

For example on my records on one specific date 11 P-39's
were lost near Iasi .

If the exact crash site location and the date would be available that
could make the stuff easier but again also under such circumstances
success is not taken for granted

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Old 18th January 2018, 16:45
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Re: VVS P-39 loss list ?

Hello Alex K,

I too thought the same, but Mihai asked about a possible list being available and apart from the Tony Wood lists the one I gave a link to was the only other list that I thought may help Mihai with his search.
Other more expert on the specific subject may be more able to advise Mikai but at the time of my post had not at the time offered any response to his request.

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Old 18th January 2018, 21:14
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Re: VVS P-39 loss list ?

Alex Smart , sure I fully agree ,

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Old 14th May 2018, 10:14
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Re: VVS P-39 loss list ?

Hello all, small update, new digs were done in the weekend and apparently the registration number appeared which is 31 white with a red outline, does this help in any way to narrow down the exact id of this aircraft ?

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Old 15th May 2018, 17:26
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Re: VVS P-39 loss list ?

Hi Mihai,
Afraid too little information to identify this aircraft. Accounting for aircraft losses by tail (side) numbers for this period is usually not carried out. Moreover, they are repeated in different units.
Or it's part of the serial number - but it's too short.
It is necessary to clarify the type of aircraft (modification), the presence of signs of the pilot, the nearest settlements and dates when there were major battles. Then you can narrow your search.
Look for plates numbers. Look for number engine.
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Re: VVS P-39 loss list ?

Gospodin Kirill


Numerous Aviation archelogists from Romania contacted several of my
friends who on their turn contacted me on this P-39 which crashed on Iasi
area in 1944 one out 28 P-39's lost by two Russian Air Regiments on first
Iasi Chisinau Offensive . The main issue is that no specific crash dates nor
complete coordinates are available .

I have info on all those 28 but in order to pin point one out of all without
S/N's ,exact crash location is a very though issue .

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Re: VVS P-39 loss list ?

The red outline might help to eliminate at least the fighter unit, because I think not all of those units used red outlines for their numbers. This can reduce pretty much the losses and potential planes, based on available unit photographs. Who knows?
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