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Old 8th May 2018, 15:44
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I am looking for information/flight logs/reports regarding the bombing mission on the night of 19th 20th November 1940. The flight took off from Vannes/Meucon in France and the unit was KGr 100. I am on the trail of a Heinlei 111 6N+JJ which was piloted by Lt Pius Dohr. This aircraft crashed on route to England on a tiny island off of Guernsey. Can anybody help or point me in the direction of flight logs etc. Thank you, Ian Goodwin
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Old 9th May 2018, 04:16
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Hi Gooders57,
A list of crashes on Guernsey mentions this:
On 19 November 1940, a Heinkel He 111 (reference: 2768) from 3. KGr. 100 (pathfinder squadron) crashed following an engine fire on Crevichon near Jethou off Guernsey, the full bomb load exploding, damaging some buildings on Jethou, the crew of four was killed

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Old 9th May 2018, 09:42
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Additional information concerning the He 111 aircraft, from KG 100, crashed on 19th November 1940 :

- Code : 6N+IL
- WKNr 2768
- Staffel : 3./KG 100
- crashed on little Island Crévichon (close to Guernesey Island)
- Crew (all KIA) Lt Pius DOHR, Ogfr Helmut KEYLAU, Uffz Karl WEIDAUER, Uffz Gustav SCHER

This info is extracted from the Jean Louis ROBA book "La Kampfgeschwader 100 L'escadre au Drakkar, 1938-1944)"

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Old 9th May 2018, 11:40
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Hello,

here are the entries in the primary source Gen.Qu. loss report.

Report from 22 November 1940, item 13:
19.11. Kampfgruppe 100 Feindflug Auftrag/target: Birmingham, Ursache/cause: Absturz.
He 111 H-2 2768 6N+JJ 100%.

F Lt Dohr, Pius vermisst
B Ogefr Keylau, Helmut vermisst
Bf Uffz Weidauer, Karl vermisst
Bm Uffz Scher, Gustav vermisst.

Correction from 7 Decembner 1940:
Absturz bei Guernsey. Besatzung Lt Dohr tot.
Streiche 4 Vermisste, setzte 4 Tote (in the report from 22 November 1940).


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Old 9th May 2018, 11:48
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Ian,

"The Blitz Then and Now" vol2 indicates that KGr 100 were part of a raid on Birmingham on the night of 19/20 November. KGr 100 commited 13 aircraft to the operation.
The loss entry on page 283 of this book shows the crash occuring at 19.45 hrs and gives the aircraft type as an He 111H-2.

Ken Wakefield in "The first Pathfinders" provides the following information regarding the bombs carried by the KGr 100 aircraft taking part in the raid - 48 SC 50; 4896 B1 E1(incendaries) and 4896 B1 E1 ZA (incendaries).
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A bit more here: http://www.ghostbombers.com/1940/Cov....html#umbrella
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Old 9th May 2018, 14:21
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Funny thing with the link. The first time I tried, it didn't work. I closed that window and immediately tried again, and it worked. No idea why.
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Old 9th May 2018, 15:02
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Good morning to all.

Regarding the link sent by Nick Beale, who computed a mervellous study of KGr 100 on his site, it did work with me on the first click....maybe provider problems or TI bugs with the other members. So, NICK BEALE, keep going!

GOODERS 57> Are you interested only on the crash of the 6N+JJ or are you researching ALL KGr 100 machines that flew on that raid, or all the LW machines that were sent to Birmingham that night? It was not fully clear on the first thread.

Do not remember if the book of Roba do have a Picture of Lt. Pius...

KGr 100 did have a lot of casualties due to mechanical problems (engine fire, engine failure, fuel starvation on return flights, etc.). Do not know if this was purely related to the poor conditions of Vannes-Meucon or if this was common with the other Kampfgeschwaders too, ex: KG 2, KG 3, KG 1, etc....It would be nice to compare the statistics of accidents related to mechanical problems such quoted....

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Old 9th May 2018, 18:43
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Thank you for your reply Adriano. At present i am only researching this aircraft. This is due mainly that i live in Guernsey which is only 3 miles from crash site on the small islet of Crechivon. The remains of the airmen were buried in the German cemetery at Jerbourg, St Martins, Guernsey. After the war, all of the bodies were exhumed and reburied at Monte de Huisne, in France.

I will be looking other Heinkel 111 crashes/incidents in and around the island as time permits.

Thank you once again for taking the time to reply to my question
  • Thank you for the information Nick. Most helpful indeed.
  • Than you Andy, information was very helpful.
  • Thank you Redcap.
  • Thank you Leo, the information was very helpful
  • Thank you Pierre. I have noted in your reply to me that you gave the code as 6N + IL. This aircraft was in fact 6N + JJ. but thank you for the information.

Regards Ian
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