KPAFAC victories in Korea

[Daniel Nole]

There are not a lot of information about the victories and score of the KPAFAC (North Korean Air Force) in the Korean war but with the publications availables we find:

-One F-82G(46-364) destroyed on the ground at K-13 Suwon , Jun 29, 1950.

-One C-54D(42-72648)Destroyed by IL-10 strike at K-13 Suwon, Jun 30, 1950.

-One B-29A (44-69866)(19th BW, 28th BS) hit and shot down by three Yak-9s near Seoul, Jul 12. 1950.

-One B-29A(44-61638)(19th BW, 30th BS) Damaged by one YaK-9, Jul 19, 1950.

-One F-80C (49-698) (8th FBG, 36th FBS)Damaged by YaK-9 fighters, and crashed 1 mi W of Taejon airfield, Jul 19, 1950.(first victory of a piston fighter againts a Jet fighter in the Korean War)

-One F-86A-5 destroyed(49-1334) and some other eight damaged by one PO-2 in Bedcheck Charlie at K-13 Suwon, Jun 17, 1951.

-One F-94B(51-5476 )in colissión with PO-2, Feb 27, 1952.

-One F-86E-10(51-2836) of the 4th FIW 336th FIS(Maj Stephen Bettinger) show down by Kim di San(actually the only victory of the KPAFAC MiG-15s)

Losses were heavy for the KPAFAC and that included :

29 Yak-9
11 IL-10
2 LA-7
3 LA-11
2 Yak-18
10 PO-2
1 IL-4(Actually a A-20 Boston of the V-VS)

Some 50 MiGs were estimated destroyed(10 to 15 in combat and operational accidents).The others were destroyed by straffing and bombing.

Some other 124 planes were destroyed at ground.

Regards

Daniel Nole

[steve51]

Daniel Nole,

Thank you for posting that information. I've recently begun to read about the aviation history of the Korean War, and have come upon very little about the North Koreans.

[Gizmo]

This "Il-4" you mentioned were a VVS Douglas A-20 from 36th Mine-Torpedo Regiment of Pacyfic Fleet. On 4th September 1950 Soviet plane was shot down over sea by Ens. Edward V. Laneywere, a Corsair pilot of VF-53. Crew of three VVS aviators were all KIA.

[Daniel Nole]

Ajha Gizmo, thanks, that match perfectly this Boston alias "IL-4" and nothing to do directly with the KPAFAC; was another of the several aircrafts shot down in the cold war.

Regards

Daniel Nole

About this incident from "Silent Warriors":

4 September 1950 A US Navy F4U-4B Corsair of VF-53, piloted by Ensign Edward V. Laney, shot down a Soviet Naval Aviation Douglas A-20 Box over the Yellow Sea, southeast of the Soviet-occupied Port Arthur Naval Base in China and west of the North Korean coast. Laney was one of a four-ship Combat Air Patrol from the carrier USS Valley Forge (part of Task Force 77), which was protecting US Navy air activity against North Korea not long before the Inchon landings. The A-20 was one of two belonging to the Port Arthur-based 36th Mine-Torpedo Aviation Regiment of the Red Banner Pacific Fleet, apparently sent out on an armed reconnaissance mission. A-20s had been supplied in quantity to the Soviets on Lend-Lease during World War 2, and this unit had had extensive experience during the war as torpedo bombers . The Corsairs encountered the two A-20s about 40 nautical miles from the Chinese coast. One A-20 turned back, but the other pressed on. As the Corsairs descended, the top turret gunner on the A-20 was observed to open fire. Richard E. Downs led Laney on a firing pass, and Laney hit the A-20 with his 20mm cannon. The Soviet aircraft then crashed into the sea. The US recovered the body of one Soviet crewman, later identified as that of Genaddiy Mishin, the copilot. The other two bodies, those of Senior Lt. Karpol, the aircraft commander, and Sgt. A. Makaganov, the gunner, were never found. Mishin's body was returned to the Soviets in 1956.

[JoeB]

I would add the following known air to air successes of the North Koreans:

-July 13, 1950: US L-5 (Stinson Sentinel liaison a/c) downed; the NK's claimed 3 victories per Seidov's book

-July 14: B-26B 44-34263 13th BS(L) damaged by Yaks (enging ko'd) landed at Taejon, later destroyed there to prevent capture. This encounter is widely written about (in exaggerated form) in NK propaganda, their leading ace Kim Gi Ok is credited.

-July 20: another B-29 was slightly damaged by Yak-9's, not seriously enough for the serial number to be recorded in USAF records.

-Sep 2 1950: an ROKAF L-5 downed according to the ROKAF official history; the only ROKAF air-air loss of the Korean War

-all three F4U air combat losses in Korea (USMC Sep 10 1952, USN Oct 4 and 7 of that year) were due to NK MiG-15's, according to the defector No Gum Suk, and NK presentation at their "Victorious Fatherland War Museum", and no Soviet or Chinese claims are known for these losses.

I would comment on Daniel's list as follows:

Jul 12 1950 B-29 44-69866: Both US and NK sources differ on the number of attacking fighters. Some NK accounts say it was Kim Gi Ok alone, others say he and Lee Don Gyu (another early NK pilot often mentioned in their accounts)

Jul 20 1953 Bettinger, was flying 51-2824, the other serial number is a mistake in the 'KORWALD' database which I assume is the source for it. The Soviets credited their pilots with 6 F-86's that day, and the Chinese probably others. This is an interesting case where we know a specific NK MiG-15 claim, but there is no assurance IMO that Kim scored this victory. One other F-86 was downed by a MiG that day, two known F-86 AA losses were suffered by fighter bomber units which by then operated F-86's, losing them frequently to AA in southern NK as they had their F-80's before that, and one unknown (from US perspective) loss, 51-2756, is documented in Soviet records as downed by their AA troops in northern NK.

It's possible NK MiG's downed other UN a/c, but there are only a small handful of known UN air combat losses in Korea not already accounted for by specific Soviet and/or Chinese claims, and some are probably accounted for by as yet unknown Chinese claims, Soviet claim info being pretty complete already, I believe. Even when and if we get full NK MiG-15 operational records, the claims will probably heavily overlap those of Soviets and Chinese, and while some may be valid victories, it will be hard to tell for sure, as in the Bettinger case.


On NK MiG-15 losses, No Kum Sok estimated 100 to all causes during the war.

Joe

[Daniel Nole]

Thanks Joe and very welcome additions in the thema.

Regards

Daniel

[Daniel Nole]

A small update: A Mustang loss in September 1950. I dont know the complete Bu number.

255(35th FIW, 39th FIS)Damaged by Yak, engine smoking, went into spin, low altitude bail out 10 mi NW of Waegwan, pilot 1th Lt Donald L.Pitchford KIA, Sep 28, 1950(F-51D)

Regards

Daniel

[RossGmann]

Here is another link http://tinyurl.com/7ct9sed not sure if it may be of help or interest.

Kind regards

Ross