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Old 27th February 2015, 02:13
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Nieuport H-52C-1 losses in early september 1936

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someone could help me with dates or more info in this info:

1.9.36 J/88 Oblt. Hannes Trautloft Nieuport H-52C-1 Republican Spanish 3rd/58 Madrid area Grupo No. 21, ¿Escuadra España Heilman KIA in Talavera, Navalmoral against Fiats in early september?

2.9.36 Joaquín García Morato (with He-51) Ni-H.52 Republican Spanish 4th/40 Talavera Seems overclaim, only loss was nacionalist pilot Fernandez Tudela, in other source Escuadra España Heilman KIA in Talavera, Navalmoral against Fiats in early september

3.9.36 Nieuport H-52C-1 Republican Spanish Madrid Hantz KIA, ¿is this date correct?, is this Escuadra España Heilman KIA in Talavera, Navalmoral against Fiats in early september?


Heilman and Hantz are the same pilot or two pilots?

Heilman Hantz???

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Re: Nieuport H-52C-1 losses in early september 1936

From another thread (Trautloft´s air victories in Spain) this detail:

September the 1st , J. Fernandez R., the Garcia Lacalle wingman was shooted down on a NiD 52 but, against Fiats. Might be, an identification mistake...

From my limited sources I could not find any claims of Italian Fiat CR 32 pilots during the days of 1.-3.9.1936 - it seems that they claimed nothing on those days (?). Misidentifying He 51 as Fiat CR 32 may well have happened by the Republican side.

About Heilman/Hantz I can tell nothing - German/Austrian/Swiss volunteer or something else? From the list of pilots of FARE (Air Force of Spanish Republic) I found this person:

Hillman, Edward - pilot of 2nd escadrille (?) "Lafaytte", entered to service in 1936.

Source: http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...a/Personal.htm

Could "Heilman" be actually Hillman?
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hi,
many thanks

about Heilman seems probable...

i think the loss of this pilot was before 6 of september and Hantz seems
on the 3 or 2 of september...

many thanks for your help,

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Re: Nieuport H-52C-1 losses in early september 1936

Found a reference to Hantz in
http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home..._num_22_1_2476 on p. 461.

He's being described as being from the Alsace with date of death 3 Sept 1936.

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Re: Nieuport H-52C-1 losses in early september 1936

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