Bf109 Neubau 1/44 to 3/45

[ArtieBob]

I don't know if this will display correctly, but here is the latest version of the new build production data from primary sources.
Bf 109 NeubauSubtypeFactory19441945TotalsJanFebMarAprMayJunJul AugSepOctNovDecJanFebMarG 5Erla5063566260237G 5/R2ErlaScheduled-not built0G 6Mttr4303091353435506596622602425053109193812G 6Erla291270203200319300106295642048G 6WNFScheduled-not built0G 6/R2WNF1302132G 6/U2Erla3831143G 6/U4WNF119513034041181442403340141466G 6/U4Györ161531G 6ASMttr11Ga 6Györ4265014171730176G 8WNF165739112G 8/R5WNF591101112089277216763107915G 8/R5GYör29231G 8/U3WNF11G 10Erla15227967103384544G 10Mttr4108623177G 10/R6Erla49191269178284971G 10/U4WNF12913295356G 14Mttr440144305911115747889G 14Erla23247233925781146G 14/U4WNF591482199856112593G 14/U4GYör3232G 14/U4KöB92029G 14ASMttr0G 14ASErla591482199856112593K 2ErlaScheduled-not built30337910120321162111270K 2WNFScheduled-not built0K 3ErlaScheduled-not built0K 3/R2ErlaScheduled-not built0K 4Mttr152932213253382331681593Totals932715804100610651230104313741718179315581147122187671617198
Best regards,

Artie Bob

EDIT: See http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/attach...2&d=1171563417

[Ruy Horta]

If it is an Excel sheet, or any other type of file, you might try and add it as an attachement.

You can always try and see if the code option works, see:

[ArtieBob]

Lets try again!

rh: original attachement deleted upon request

[George Hopp]

A beautiful table, Art, thank you very much for taking the time and effort to produce it and share it with the rest of us. Just out of curiosity, what is the sigmificance of the BOLD numbers?

Just a couple of tiny points: You might want to move the G14AS numbers up by one line, because right now you have Erla producing 1270 K2s, when, if memory serves, they produced none. But, Regensburg apparently produced one. It was labelled W.Nr. 300 056 in its Weight and Balance report of 1.2.1944, but was referred to as W.Nr. 60 056 in MttR production reports of both 4.9.1944 and 6.Okt.1944.

And also, this superb table, created, as you say, from primary sources, shows just how inconsistent those primary sources appear to be. For example, the table, if I'm reading it correctly, shows no G14s produced until August '44, and yet the Brits captured one on 22 July 1944.

Was there only ever one Neubau G6AS? Interesting, because Schmoll indicates the following serials of G6AS produced by Regensburg in July 44 alone: 163 430 - 163 435, 163 765 - 163 787, 163 826 - 163 837, and some from the series 163 800 - 163 825. This production of G6ASs appears to have continued through Dec 44.

But, even if the numbers aren't 100%, they still give a good indication of what models of the 109 were produced throughout 1944 and into 1945. So, thank you, again.

[Rasmussen]

Hello Artie,

I don't know your primary sources .... but most of the numbers regarding Erla are wrong. The best example is the number of produced G-14/AS. It's documented by some original plans that Erla produced only 135 G-14/AS and not more. Then I miss the G-5/AS/R2 (I believe R2 was right I'm on work now) and the September of the last G-5 is wrong too. Erla had never to built K-2 and K-3, I miss the single K4/R6 and so on. So would be interesting to know what's your source.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

P.S.: My memory wasn't the best :-)). See my second posting later.

[odybvig]

Hello

You might take a look at this page
http://www.luftwaffe.no/SIG/RLM/RLM44.html

RLM aircraft production January 1944 - November 1944.Based on C-Amts Monatsmeldungen

Best
Olve Dybvig

[Jim P.]

He hasn't returned to answer, but I'm pretty sure Artie Bob's records come directly from documents that he's found in the U.S. Archives.

[Dénes Bernád]

The production at MWG Györ, Hungary, is also far from complete.
AFAIK, there were well over 700 Bf 109Ga-4s, Ga-6s, Ga-8s, Ga-14s and Ga-10s built in Hungary, between 1943-1945 (some in co-operation with WNF).

[Kurfürst]

Yeah, something is not right with the positioning of the table. Ie. it says 109K-4 production only starting in Septemer 1944, but in fact the Japo 109K book notes quite a few 109K-4s completing their acceptance flights in August already. Quite a feat for a plane produced a month later !

[Rasmussen]

I guess the documents are to "old" and wrong or incomplete in many parts --- for example the Erla K's and G-5 again.

Fact: there was planned to built by Erla the K - 2 ... but: the plan was from November 1943. In January 1944 nobody spoke about the K - 2 but the K-2/R3. In May the complete K-2/R3 production plan was shelved.
Fact: there was planned to built by Erla the K-3 and K-3/R2. The plan was from December 1943 ... but in January 1944 during a conference of "Arbeitsgruppe 109" was said "Sorry, was an mistake. Isn't the K-3 but the the K - 1 and isn't the K-3/R2 but the K-1/R2." But the production plan was shelved like the other K - plans too.
Fact: from the K-4/R6 the Erla factory delivered for sure 1 a/c - in February 1945, known by W.Nr. and BAL date published at first by Prien/ Rodeike and result of my researches.
Fact: there was planned not to built the G-5/R2 ... but: in January 1944. In July and August 1944 were built G-5/R2/AS --- in Antwerpen they got the AS - engines.

Independent from this and other mistakes it's an interesting list ... the 295 G-6 built in November 1944 and the 25 G-14 were sold to RLM as G-14 (wasn't an difference in price) but it seems that most of this "G-14" were in technical sight G-6 because there were problems with delivery of MW50 device. Some of this "G-14" were found in ANR.

Best wishes
Rasmussen