Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Falcon]

Originally Posted by ouidjat

Looking through TOCH pages I just read JCM said that R6 was for PKS 12, all weather fighters.

Franck, to say it with the words like Harald Vogt:
Not G-14/R6!
Bf 109 G-14(/AS)/Rüstsatz 6 (Gondelwaffen).

[ouidjat]

Hello David,

I Need to stop to read Yahoo comments ...
Yes G-14/AS/R6 and R6 for MG151/20 OK. But I didn't find G-14/R6 pictures either.

But what I said is that in a previous comment, in another thread, Jean-Claude Mermet (JCM) said Rüstsatz 6 for Bf 109G-10 was not a Gondelwaffen but a PSK 12 camera installation.

So?..

Tshüss, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Fols,

Again a question mark for the ongoing eerie of late war Bf 109's on Flickr:

First case: Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 150 816 "Schwarze 4", Langensalza, May 1945.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/7728261930/

Is this a JG 2 or a JG 300 machine? I've read both through different posts in different forums. Any synthesis on this particular one?

Second case: Bf 109 G-6/AS "Schwarze (?) 13", JG 1 (?), shot down in Spring 1944 by 9th AF:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream.

This photo, originally provided by Jean-Yves Lorant, is thought to be depicting the final moments of Walter Oesau's Bf 109 G-6/AS W.Nr. 20 499 "Grüne 13", I./JG 1 on 13 May 1944. Though one can recognize quite clearly a red tail band and the conspicuous all over RLM 76 camouflage typical for those Erla built "Höhenjägern", I'm at a loss, as other authors, to ascertain this was indeed Oesau's machine.

All inputs are warmly welcome!

Cheers
Marc

[ChrisS]

Hi Marc

First case: or 5./JG 51 or perhaps Blau 4 Good old black and white film....

Cheers

Chris

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hi there Chris,

Great, a third possibility! And now, where shall we go?;-)) Talk about a strenuous subject...

Thanks Chris
Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks to Pufo, on Modelforum.cz, here is this great color still from Criticalpast.com which shows a half burnt-out Bf 109 G from a training unit, filmed in Summer 1945:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

It does point toward an overall RLM 82 camouflage....

Cheers
Marc

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

First case: Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 150 816 "Schwarze 4", Langensalza, May 1945.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28092068@N03/7728261930/

Is this a JG 2 or a JG 300 machine? I've read both through different posts in different forums. Any synthesis on this particular one?

Regarding J.C.Mermet (he quote of the TO from I./ JG 300, Noschinski, and a conversation with J.-Y. Lorant) belonged the a/c to the I./ JG 300 and was given to another, unknown group later. There the G-10 got the horizontal bar. Another example you find in "Luftwaffe im Focus", special no.3, on page 52/53 - the "blue 2" of JG 300.

Best regards
Rasmussen

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks very much Jörg!

I will change the caption accordingly! Regarding the often discussed topic of late war low visibility full fuselage camouflage, what do you think of the seemingly all fuselage RLM 82 with a bottom RLM 76 Bf 109 G, shown on this just emerged critical past.com movie still? Could this fit with an Erla production?

Schönen Dank
Marc

[veltro]

Thare is a thread of two years ago about the W.Nr. 150 816 here: http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/in...howtopic=28401 ...

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Grazie Ferdinando!

Interesting with good sized pictures... And now a new challenge for us all: this RLM 82 overall camouflage as seen on the criticalpast.com still? A plausible theory?

Thanks again
Marc