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Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?
Hello,
Currently on ebay is a photo of Pussmoth TD+IL at: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Militar...QAAOSw6NNfbwId Does anyone know where this machine originated? Circumstantial information inclines me to believe that this machine is the ex- DE-EDEQ which was based in Saxony at Dresden, so not far from Oschatz. Also there is a partial W.Nr 68 (?) so possibly Wnr 2068. Regards, Clint Last edited by musec04; 13th October 2020 at 22:52. |
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Re: Photo Pussmoth TD+IL
Clint
This time I am pretty certain it is actually a DH 85 Leopard Moth. Check the wheel struts.... The c/n is written on the fin, but the resolution is not good enough to see what it says. There were 132 built before the war and one after Quite a few went to France and the low countries, so unless you buy the photo or ask the buyer you will have a problem with this one. Cheers Stig |
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Re: Photo Pussmoth TD+IL
Hi Stig,
Stig, contrary to my initial reply I still think the aircraft is a DH.80A Puss Moth,for the reasons outlined in the additions to my first post. So I've amended both this post and the intial post and title again. Unless I canbe convinced that we're looking at a Leopard Moth.Apologies for the frequent edits.Amended again. Thanks for your evidence. Its a Leopard Moth. Regards, Clint Last edited by musec04; 13th October 2020 at 22:53. |
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?
Hi
In Feb. 1943 this plane belonged to FFS A/B 61, located in Oschatz. best wishes JoMe |
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?
This is a DH85 trust me - the W/Nr 69 is part of the maker's construction No 7069 - issued as sold to France as F-AMYS
Can you please tell me where is the source for this being as FFS(A/B)61 and the date Feb.1943. On the reverse of the photo it is marked as Oschatz but the date is very unclear. Any ideas? |
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?
Tom
I believe the date is 27 May 1941 Cheers Stig |
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?
Flugbuch Helmut Stiller February 1943 FFS(A/B) 61
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?
Hi
I along with Stig alerted Malcolm Filmore (expert on DH 85) to the existance of this pghoto He offers an alternastive to F-AMYS as follows:_ c/n 7094 (Gipsy Major #5941) CofA 4712 issued 4.3.35 to JEF de Kok. Regd PH-FDK [CofR 217] 12.3.35 to JEF de Kok, [director of Royal Dutch Shell], The Hague (based Waalhaven). Regd 7.9.37 to NV National Luchtvaart School, Ypenburg. Impressed into LVA as 963 9.39. Badly damaged in bombing Ypenburg 10.5.40; regn cld 7.9.40. On rebuild by NLS 8.40-4.41. Shipped to Germany 5.41. So it was 963 with Dutch Forces, it should also be noted that TD+IL was also issued to Go 241A-1 021 so my question is can anyone say what was the build date for the Go 242? Tony |
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?
Tony
I thought you had Barry Rosch's production list. According to that, WNr 0021 was built/delivered in May 1941, ie basically at the same time as 'our' Leopard was photographed. And, yes I notified Malcolm. An opportunity for him not to be missed. Will send you the list straight away. BTW Rosch does not list any TD+IL at all, he has only WNr 0031 fixed as TD+IU plus others in the same range without any WNrs attached. Cheers Stig |
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Re: Photo DH.85 Leopard Moth TD+IL?
Thanks Stig
Barry lists 021 as :_ 2./LLG 2 dam 90% 16.2.43 at Bagerovo (Bagerowo), Russia, hit obstruction when landing So possibly the DH 85 took over the stkz and this lines up with Helmut Stiller FB Tony body,div,table,thead,tbody,tfoot,tr,th,td,p { font-family:"Arial"; font-size:x-small } a.comment-indicator:hover + comment { background:#ffd; position:absolute; display:block; border:1px solid black; padding:0.5em; } a.comment-indicator { background:red; display:inline-block; border:1px solid black; width:0.5em; height:0.5em; } comment { display:none; } |
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