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Old 4th March 2008, 14:00
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Claims for JG52-aces (Kuban)

I would like to learn which Russian unit / pilot claimed the following aces from JG52:

Date; Name; Area of kill; Remark
17.02.1943; Uffz Rudolf Meinl; Novobabinskaya; 3 claims

18.03.1943; Fw Hermann Kiwora; Gelendshik; 24 claims

20.03.1943; Lt. v. Coester; Southeast Anapa; 3 claims

25.03.1943; Ltn. Herbert Kirnbauer; Karbadinka; 9 claims

11.04.1943; Ofw. Willi Nemitz; Karbadinka; + 10:40, 68 claims

20.04.1943; Fw. Hans Gleißner; Karbadinka; + 11:00 P40-ramming, 28 claims 16GIAP?

06.05.1943; Uffz. Hans Scholze; ?; 9 claims

24.05.1943; Olt. Karl Ritzenberger; S Novorossisk; 18 claims, Staffelkapitän">+ combat w Yaks, >18 claims, Staffelkapitän

29.05.1943; Ltn Friedrich Bühmann; Kievskoye; > 3 claims

04.06.1943; Ltn Horst Smiatek; Karbadinka sea; > 16 claims

11.07.1943; Fw Alfred Lehmann; Anapa; 13 claims">+ combat w 2 P-39, >13 claims 16GIAP?


Can anypone help?
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Old 23rd May 2016, 14:06
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Re: Claims for JG52-aces (Kuban)

Hello,

out of time a bit, but ...

Just started a final analysis (day-by-day and minute-by-minute) of Kuban air battles Apr.-Jun.43. As always, some new questions arise.

About Willi Nemitz. If I understand right, the time 10:40 is from NVM.
Soviet aviation is absent in the air at 10:40=11:40 msk. 4 LaGG-3 and 1 La-5 (249.IAP) exactly at 10:40=11:40 msk began the take-off from Nizhestebliewskaja airfield, ~60 km from the area of main dogfights (Abinskaja). They had an air combat from around 11:00=12:00 msk, s.Sgt Ivanov claimed a damaging of a Bf109. More interesting, s.Lt Skryabin (the pilot of the sole La-5) reported that had a technical failure and tried to exit from dogfight chased by 3 Bf109 at low level and one of Bf109s collided with the ground 2 km NE Neberdzhaewskaja. It isn't exact place of Nemitz's crash but relatively close.

Returning to the time of Nemitz's crash.

Whether the other mentions about time that sortie exists?
Maybe it was a bit later (two II./JG52 claims were at 10:55-10:56 = 11:55-11:56 msk)

The crash in question was mentioned in phone call between officers of German 9.Inf.Div. at 11:25 = 12:25 msk but it was undoubtedly some time after the crash.


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Re: Claims for JG52-aces (Kuban)

Hello Andrey
will there be an English edition of your future Kuban book?

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Old 24th May 2016, 10:32
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Re: Claims for JG52-aces (Kuban)

Hello Juha,

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will there be an English edition of your future Kuban book?
I didn't think about it yet.
Plan to finish a test article (about prelude to main battles, 1-14.Apr.43) in June.

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Re: Claims for JG52-aces (Kuban)

25.03.1943; Ltn. Herbert Kirnbauer; Karbadinka; 9 claims

perhaps of intrest:

Kirnbauer was killed on that date. Picture of his grave can be found https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread...8#post-1885173
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Re: Claims for JG52-aces (Kuban)

Probably the best current title on this campaign:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Drei-Falken.../dp/3869332484
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