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Old 5th July 2005, 09:26
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Me 262 Jagdverband Honor Goblet sponsored by Messerschmitt Augsburg

Hello,

I could recently buy a goblet that was sponsored by the "DAF-Betriebszelle der Messerschmitt-Werke Augsburg" (DAF means Deutsche Arbeits-Front which was something similar as a labor union during the 3rd Reich) to the first "Turbo-Jagdverband". In addition there is a Me 262 on the goblet. It belonged to a German Messerschmitt Engineer who emigrated to Argentinia after the war.

Now, I am wondering to which Turbo-Unit it was given. If it was JG7 they should have written "Jagdgeschwader" instead of "Jagdverband". So, it could have been given to JV44. However, I doubt that in April 1945 they worried about sponsoring a goblet to JV44 as the war's end was so close. And secondly, JV44 was not the first unit. Also, Augsburg produced only the very first Me 262s.

What is your opinion?

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Old 6th July 2005, 09:14
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Re: Me 262 Jagdverband Honor Goblet sponsored by Messerschmitt Augsburg

Meanwhile, I found out that the Messerschmitt engineer's name who once owned the goblet was "Heyer". In 1947 he went to Argentinia via the Vatikan. Sometimes in 1972 he visited Adolf Galland (apparently together with a Hauptmann a.D. who served under Galland).

Does the name "Heyer" ring any bells? I couldn't find his name in my books, but I just made a quick search for it in the indexes of some books.

I'd be really glad if someone could help finding out more about this rare item.

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Re: Me 262 Jagdverband Honor Goblet sponsored by Messerschmitt Augsburg

Just like to say what a great item! You must be proud of it!
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Old 6th July 2005, 15:19
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Yes, I was very happy to get it :-) It will be the center of my Me 262 collection. I only wish I could find out more about its history.
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Re: Me 262 Jagdverband Honor Goblet sponsored by Messerschmitt Augsburg

Hello,


By chance, I found a photo of Me 262 White 17 on page 337 of the German edition of Galland's "Die Ersten und die Letzten" (The firsts and the lasts) that looks exactly the same as the Me 262 on the goblet (even the cloulds match). It looks like one of these early photo series that show Me 262 with a similar camouflage (like White 13: http://www.geocities.com/tgenth/Me262_8.jpg)

Is there anything known about this particular White 17 on page 337 of Galland's book and also about the photo? Was it an official Messerschmitt photo and published already during the war?

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