Bf109G-4 GI+LD

[Balazs Garai]

Hi guys,

I would like to get some informations about this aircraft.
Bf109G-4
Stammkennzeichnummer: GI+LD

Which unit used, who whose the pilot, and what was the destinity of this aircraft.
Thank you very match for the answer, sincerely,

Balazs

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello Balazs,

GI+LD is one of the 17 Bf109 Ga-4's built by the Hungarians for the Luftwaffe between July/August 1943. the WNr. is 16654.

I'm sure someone here will know more about its history.


regards,
Tomislav

[RT]

I hv 16655 with JG51, what are the others wn, for hungarian buildt 109 ??

REMI

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hello Remi,


Hungarian built Bf109 in Györ were:

total of 25 Bf109 Ga-4, 17 delivered to the Luftwaffe, WNr.16 651 - 16 667
total of 310+ Bf109 Ga-6, WNr. 760 001 - 760 260 & WNr.760 345 - 760 396 (?)
cca. 200 Bf109 G-14, WNr.760 400 - 760 600

regards,
Tomislav

[Peter Zambori]

Dear Balázs,
although it was published more than a decade ago and a couple of new informations were found since than about Hungarian Messerschmitt 109s the best source is still the "A Messzer" by Punka György. (except its printing quality...) Unfortunately you will not find the answers for your questions about GI+LD.:-(


Dear Remi,
can you give more detailed info please? I'm interesting in Hungarian machines in Luftwaffe service, but I find only a couple of MWG built 109s in Lw units (JG 3, JG 5, JG 27, JG 52, JG 53, JG 77, JG 300 and NAGr.8 )

Dear Tomislav and Remi,
the late built Hungarian 109s received Werke Numbers in WNF blocks (441xxx, 442xxx, 200xxx, 201xxx, 510xxx, 511xxx rows) and in 125xxx, 126xxx and 127xxx also after June 16,1944 when an agreement was signed between the WNF, the MWG, and Donau Flugzeugbau AG. about common Messerschmitt 109G production called "Flugzeugbau Aktiengesellschaft".

regards,
Peter

[Balazs Garai]

Dear Tomislav, Remi and Péter,

Thanks for the correct and punctually answer.
Sincerely, Balazs

[JoMe]

Hey Tomislav

Do you know, what the name of the producer in Györ ???
Thanks in advance

JoMe

[Dénes Bernád]

Originally Posted by JoMe

Do you know, what the name of the producer in Györ ???

I am not Tomislav, nevertheless will answer the question.

The name of the Hungarian manufacturer was 'Magyar Waggon- és Gépgyár Részvénytársaság', abbreviated MWG.

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Originally Posted by Dénes Bernád

The name of the Hungarian manufacturer was 'Magyar Waggon- és Gépgyár Részvénytársaság', abbreviated MWG.

Hello Dénes,

Thanks for the great answer. For some time, I was also looking for the full hungarian name of the MWG.
In some german sources the name MAVAG (maybe MAgyar VAGon ...) is mentioned. Do you know if they are refering to the same factory, or perhaps to a german branch?

best regards,
Tomislav

[Dénes Bernád]

Originally Posted by Tomislav Haramincic

In some german sources the name MAVAG (maybe MAgyar VAGon ...) is mentioned.

That's a different company altogether!

MÁVAG= Magyar Állami Vas-, Acél- és Gépgyárak (Hungarian State Owned Iron, Steel and Machine Works), located at Budapest–Diósgyőr.