RAF Hudson shot down by USAAF Black Widow - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Luc Vervoort · #1 30th January 2005, 19:19

Hi !

FK803 , Hudson of 161 Sqn, was possibly shot down by a crew of a 422 NFS Black Widow, which claimed a Do217.
The pilot of the Hudson bailed out, returned to his unit and was charged by a RAF court.
The Hudson crashed at Asselborn (Luxembourg) on 21/03/1945.

Is this story correct ? Who can supply me more details ?

Many thanks and best regards from rainy Belgium

Luc

Paul · #2 30th January 2005, 21:51

Hallo Luc,

Been reading the latest issue (119) of '40-'45 Toen & Nu I guess ?

Gr.

Paul

Luc Vervoort · #3 30th January 2005, 22:34

Hi Paul,

Never read that publication ..

Best regards

Luc

Paul · #4 30th January 2005, 22:52

Luc,

Bought my copy last week and it has a four page story on this subject written by Phil Mertens a member of the Belgian Aviation Archaeology Group with lots of pictures....

Groetjes,

Paul

Larry · #5 1st February 2005, 01:12

Interesting Story - but why would the RAF pilot be charged for being shot down? Surely it was the other pilot who would have faced a court!

Paul · #6 1st February 2005, 14:59

Luc & Larry,

According to this article the pilot of FK803 Flight Lieutenant Anthony Helfer was (after the war) accused for letting his crew down....The serial for the Black Widow is given as 42-5540.

Paul

Erich · #7 1st February 2005, 19:29

according to the 422nd nfs logs there were 2 Do 217's claimed or were they both Hudsons ?

Pilots R.A. Anderson in P-61 # 40 and Koehler in P-61 # 79

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Erich · #8 1st February 2005, 19:34

Luc checking further...........

2250 to 0105 hrs. R.A. Anderson. enemy a/c jinking violently, visual at 1200 feet, radar gone out (bad weapon). at Angels 3 1/2, at 300 feet ID as Do 217 going 140/150 mph. fired from 400 feet dead astern. wings burned from wing tip to wing tip. Exploded, enemy a/c passed over the right wing of the P-61 and crashed into the ground at 0045 hrs. 1 parachute seen. weather CAVU 1/4 moon.

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Paul · #9 1st February 2005, 20:05

Another Hudson T9945 came down at Dochamps probably shot by #79...

Erich · #10 1st February 2005, 23:53

Hi Paul.

I have marked on my logs possible Hudson III
AE 505/L

same a/c ? this was shot down by # 79, Koehler and crew.

A-1 contact at 1 1/2 miles, 3-4 minutes after # 40's claim. visual contact at 1500 feet, no evasive action. got in behind and fired on a do 217 at 600 feet. 1 Burst and the a/c exploded and disintegrated at 0100hrs. No parachutes seen

weather was CAVU 1/4 moon.

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