JFV for 24 December 1944

[Nokose]

I have Prien’s JFV 13/V and want to find out if JFV 13/IV and VI have any claims for Enschede, Netherlands or in 05 OST/GO- 8/1 or 63681 for the 24 December 1944.

[John Manrho]

Perhaps you can explain a little why you are looking for a claim near Enschede? More or less my backyard.....

J.

[Nokose]

John, trying to eliminate “suspects” for the 193 Squadron Typhoon that was shot down there, before moving on to inside Germany. There is no mission times shown on your site.

[MW Giles]

Did a quick flip through the two books.

Nothing claimed for 24.12.44 fits a Typhoon lost near Enschede, though there are a few claims listed that do not give any location. All these are for other types, not Typhoons (or Tempests)

There is one interesting entry - the loss of

Uffz H Rechenbach (wounded) in combat with an English fighter N of Enschede
Fw190 A-9 490026 rt 4 of 4/JG1 forcelanded

Regards

Martin

[John Manrho]

I think I./JG 1 was not involved in the battle with No. 193 and No. 197 Sqn. I believe Rechenbach's a/c was damaged earlier and he tried to return to Twenthe. I think IV./JG 3 was involved in that battle with these Typhoons (after returning from the Ardennes), but cannot proof it.

John

[strahljaeger]

Hi,

in J-Reports found only this for 24.12.44....

J-2834, NL Scheveningen. HJ 59. 24.12.1944. 11:15. P-51. Flak gef.
or
J-2691.D Mesingen, 5 km nordöstlich Plantlünne. GP 3. 24.12.1944. 12:00. Typhoon. gef

J-2708. D Beesten, Krs. Lingen. GP 1/GQ 1/7. 24.12.1944. 12:45. Typhoon. Jäger. tot

J-2819. D Ochtrup, 12 km nordwestlich. 24.12.1944. 12:00. Typhoon. tot

[John Manrho]

Hello Matthias,

do you have these reports also for 29.12.1944 in the same area?

Thanks,

John

[Rottler]

Hello John,

here are some Abschußnummern/casualty numbers for British fighter losses on 29 Dec 1944 reported by Luftgaukommando VI/A Gruppe Ic/L 2 on 3 Jan 1945:
J 2907
12.30 Spitfire Flakstellung Mecklenbeck Gem. Roxel, 4 km W Münster, IQ 1/8 99% Bruch, 1 Toter

J 2716
11.00 Spitfire bei Weerselo, 14 km O Almeloo, GO 6/4, 55% Bruch, Notlandung, Pilot flüchtig

J 2717
11.30 Spitfire bei Mander, 15 km NO Almeloo, GO 3/7, 98% Bruch, Aufschlagbrand, 1 Toter

J 2713
11.30 Spitfire bei Geesteren, 9 km NO Almeloo, GO 2/8, 60% Bruch, Notlandung

J 2742
10.45 Typhoon Bauernschaft Altstätte, Strasse Ahaus/Stadtlohn, HOO 9/3, 99% Bruch, Aufschlagbrand, 1 Gefangener

J 2741
11.30 Typhoon 1,2 km S Hauenhorst, 5 km S Rheine HP 3/2, 99% Bruch, Aufschlagbrand, 1 Toter

J 2745
13.30 Typhoon Westerbauernschaft (3 km NW Ochtrup) HP 1/3, 35% Bruch, Notlandung, Pilot geflohen

J 2744
10.30 Typhoon Bauernschaft Rothenberge, 3 km NW Wettringen, HP 2/2, 95% Bruch Aufschlagbrand, Pilot verbrannt

J 2740
10.15 Typhoon 1 km S Welbergen, Strasse Ochtrup/Rothenberge, HP 2/5, 99% Bruch Aufschlagbrand, 1 Gefangener

J 2743
13.45 Typhoon Laer bei Horstmar, HP 9/4, 99% Bruch, Aufschlagbrand, 1 Toter

J 2585
12.30 Typhoon Viersen, Ortsteil Bötzloh, 3 km NW M.-Gladbach, LN 9, 25% Bruch, Notlandung, 1 Gefangener.

Regards
Leo

[John Manrho]

Thanks Leo, much appreciated! There were also 4 Tempest lost on 29.12.44. What about these?

[Rottler]

Hello John,

I have found no casualty numbers for the Tempests EJ803, JN803, EJ522 and EJ552. Only the crash location of the Tempest EJ803 is known: 1130 hrs near Spelle county Lingen/Ems. Maybe some of the Typhoons in the Luftgaukommando report were actually Tempests.
To J 2742: Jägergradnetz HOO 9/3 is a typo, correct is HO 9/3.

Regards
Leo