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Old 8th December 2009, 08:16
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ZG2 StaKa question

During a work on Zerstorer Gr.Kdr. & StaKa database, some problem appeared:

I have very good info about I./ZG2 CO's (expecially in 1940), but very limited info about II./ZG2 (wich is ex-I./ZG52).

Does somebody have ANY info about StaKa's of that Gruppe?

Any help will be much appreciated.
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Re: ZG2 StaKa question

Hi,

4./ZG2
06.07.40 - 11.08.40 Hptm. Hans-Peter Kuelbel
12.08.40 - 00.09.40 ????
5./ZG2
00.08.40 - 30.08.40 Hptm. Adolf Schuldt
6./ZG2
06.07.40 - 16.08.40 Hptm. Eberhardt Heinlein

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Re: ZG2 StaKa question

A search through our personnel database came up with the following:


Kommandeur II./ZG 2:
Maj. Harry Carl (26.06.40 (or 19.07.40?) – 16.08.40 POW or MIA?) .
Maj. Wilhelm-Otto Leesmann (28.08.40 – 10.40)
Oblt. Heinz Roeber (08.41) acting
Hptm. Gerhard Weyert (22.04.42 – 03.10.42)

Staka within II./ZG 2:
Oblt. Werner Hoffmann (01.07.40 – 1941?) – Staffel unknown.

Staka 4./ZG 2:
None found!

Staka 5./ZG 2:
Hptm. Adolf Schuldt (? – 30.08.40 KIA)


Staka 6./ZG 2 :
Oblt. Ernst Hollekamp (? – 16.08.40 KIA) - possible Staka
Oblt. Willi Brede (c. 15.08.40 - 07.09.40 POW)

As for those mentioned by Robert, we have this:

KÜLBEL, Hans-Peter. (DOB: 24.07.09). 20.04.27 entered service with the Polizei. 01.12.34 trf to the Luftwaffe and sent to Fliegerschule Cottbus for pilot training. 03.35 received the Lw. advanced flying certificate. 01.01.36 appt Kp.-Chef at FFS Kitzingen. 01.03.36 appt course leader and Kp.-Chef at FFS Salzwedel. 01.04.38 trf to L.In.9/RLM (to 16.06.40). [01.12.39 appt Staka 2./ZG 2 – not in his records]? [21.09.39 appt Staka 2./JGr. 102 – not in his records]? 17.06.40 appt Staka in I./ZG 52. 12.08.40 Hptm. and Staka in I./ZG 2, KIA - shot down by fighters over Portsmouth, body washed ashore on 18.09.40 at Wimereux, near Boulogne.
SCHULDT, Adolf. 30.08.40 Hptm., Staka 5./ZG 2 KIA - shot down by 242 Sqdn. while escorting bombers, crashed at Rochford’s Nursery, Ponders End.
HEINLEIN, Eberhard. 13.08.40 Hptm., appt Kdr. I./ZG 2 (to 28.09.40 † - in Bf 110 crash near Tuttlingen/SW Germany during a ferry flight).

That’s about all we have on this subject.

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Old 8th December 2009, 18:18
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Re: ZG2 StaKa question

According to Hoffmann, he was with 1/ZG 52 and wounded 19 Jun 40. He never served with ZG 2 as when recovered, he went direct to the Ergaenzungs-ZG Gruppe at Vaerlose
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Re: ZG2 StaKa question

Doug

Since I never,before buying the Meyer/Stipdonk books, had any access to St Kap details, I have som questions.

II./ZG 2
According to them the unit did not exist in 8.1941, so I am puzzled by your mentioning of Heinz Roeber.

4./ZG 2 + 5./ZG 2 are as per Robert's list

6./ZG 2 is also as per Robert's list, so I am again puzzled about the names you state. I doubt Hollekamp was anything but a member of the Staffel, since no source I have mentions him, when killed, as St Kap. However a verification of your second individual would be nice since he would fit in very well as successor to Heinlein

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Re: ZG2 StaKa question

THX for answer gents.

But after accurate looking into table (wich gets more and more complete), questions are growing like muchrooms after rain.

1. For 2 Staffel I have
Hptm. Groth 01.05.1939>25.11.1939 (moved to Gr.Kdr. II./ZG76)
Oblt. Paul Semrau 01.11.1939>??.03.1940 (reason of leave?)
Hptm. (first name?) v. Greve ??.03.1940>??? (Actiong?, if not - reason of leave?)
Hptm. Hans-Peter Külbel ??.??.1940>12.08.1940 (so he cant be StaKa 4./ZG2)

Last was StaKa and Acting Gr.Kdr. I./ZG2 in same time, when Hptm. Ott was s/d and killed on previous day.

Oblt. Blume was then StaKa to 1.09.40 - what is a reason of leave? KiA? PoW?

Next: I have Oblt. Gottshalk (StaKa 2./ZG2) and Oblt. Kurt Muller (StaKa 3./ZG2) collided, PoW both?

Who then were StaKas after them, during almost all September?

2. For 3./ZG2 I have:

Oblt. Eberhard Sauer 07.11.1939>5.01.1940
Lt. Hans Roderer (acting?) 5.01.1940 > ??.03.1940

What was a fate of Oblt. Goetz on 25.07.40? S/d?

3. About Gruppenkomandeuren:
(correct me pls if I would mistake)

Maj. Ernsе Ott Of I./ZG2 and Hptm. Harry Carl of II./ZG2 lead both Gruppen from early july.

On 11 Aug. Maj. Ernst Ott was killed by RAF fighters, and Hptm. H.P.Kulbel became Acting Gr.Kdr. I./ZG2 & StaKa 2./ZG2.

But on the next day he was himself killed by RAF fighters.

Hptm. Christians (from what unit?) became acting Gr.Kdr. of I./ZG2, but till what date?

On 16 Aug., was time for II Gruppe, wich lost its Gr.Kdr. Hptm. Harry Carl.

Hptm. Eberhardt Heinlein became Acting Gr.Kdr. of II./ZG2.

Then (on unknown day) Maj. Karl-Heinz Lessmann becomes Gr.Kdr. II./ZG2, resulting Hptm. Eberhardt Heinlein went to Gr.Kdr. I./ZG2.

And finally, on tha last days of ZG2 - 28 Sept. Hpt. Heinlein died in crash, and on 29 Sept. Maj. Lessmann went to Erpr.Gr.210 As Gr.Kdr.
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Re: ZG2 StaKa question

Also, Doug:

I have Hptm. Heinz Roeber as Gr.Kdr. of I./ZG2 during 15.04.1942 > 01.06.1942.

Also, have here a record Oblt. Ernst Hollekamp of II./ZG2 in summer 1940. If Kulbel cant be StaKa 4./ZG2, may be Hollekamp was?
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Re: ZG2 StaKa question

I looked up those names mentioned in the above thread in our database:

CHRISTIANS, Dr. Rudolf. (DOB: 11.07.90 in Mörs). 12.08.40 Hptm., appt provisional Kdr. I./ZG 2? (n.d.) later in NJG 1 and then in IV./NJG 4. 01.08.42 promo to Maj.(d.R./Fl.).

GRAEVE, Adolf, Edler von. 15.08.39 Hptm., trf from I./KG 152 to JFS Schleissheim. 01.12.39 trf to JG 102. 10.04.40 Hptm., appt Kdr. Erg.Zerst.Gr. (to 09.40). 01.01.42 promo to Maj. 08.02.42 appt Kdr. III./NJG 1 (to 05.06.42). 17.08.42 appt Nachtjagdraumführer 7 (to 15.02.43). 01.10.42 (15.02.43?) appt Nachtjagdraumführer 8 (to 01.08.43). - This guy is a candidate. I could find no "von Greve " that fits.

GROTH, Erich (“Grotze”). (DOB: 04.01.07 in Wesermünde). (R). 08.11.38 appt Staka 2./JG 231. 01.05.39 appt Staka 2./ZG 2. 22.09.39 appt Staka 2./JGr. 102 (2./ZG 2). 11.39 appt Kdr. II./ZG 76. 12.39 appt Kdr. JGr. 176. 10.05.40 Maj., Kdr.II./ZG 76. 01.10.40 Hptm., awarded Ritterkreuz, Kdr. II./ZG 76. 08.41 appt Kommodore ZG 76. 11.08.41 or 12.08.41 KIA – in Bf 110E crash near Stavanger/Norway in bad weather while flying on instruments (however, the loss reports state that this occurred at Kirkenes/N Norway while postwar investigations give the location of the crash as 45 km NW of Ål/Norway). Credited with 13 air victories.

OTT, Ernst. c.10.38 Hptm., Kdr. Fliegergruppe 50. 01.39 Hptm., Kdr. II./St.G. 163. 01.06.39 Hptm., appt Kdr. III./St.G. 2 (to 15.04.40). 29.05.40 Hptm., appt Kdr. I./ZG 2 (to 11.08.40 KIA - in Bf 110 shot down by fighters during attack on Portland naval base/U.K.).

ROEBER, Heinz. (DOB: 07.06.12 in Magdeburg). (DKG). 03.39 pilot in JG 234; later in 6./ZG 26. 08.41 acting Kdr. II./ZG 2. 06.03.42 Oblt., awarded DKG, II./ZG 26. 11.42 (03.43?) Hptm., appt acting Kdr. III./ZG 1. 1943-44 Ia in Stab/ZG 26. 01.09.43 promo to Maj. 12.02.45 Maj., appt Kdr. FFS A 43 (to 16.03.45).

SEMRAU, Paul. (DOB: 12.11.15 in Deutsch-Eylau/Ostpreussen). (RE, DKG). 01.09.39 Oblt., in 3./Kü.Fl.Gr. 106. 22.12.40 Oblt., appt Staka 3./NJG 2 (to 20.06.43). 24.04.42 Oblt., awarded DKG, 3./NJG 2. 07.10.42 Hptm., awarded Ritterkreuz, Staka 3./NJG 2. 20.06.43 Hptm., appt Kdr. V./NJG 6 (to 05.08.43). 05.08.43 Hptm., appt Kdr. III./NJG 2 (to 01.01.44). 01.01.44 Hptm., appt Kdr. II./NJG 2 (to 01.11.44). 01.05.44 promo to Maj. 12.11.44 Maj., appt Kommodore NJG 2 (to 08.02.45). 08.02.45 KIA – shot down by Spitfires while attempting to land at Twente/Holland. 17.04.45 posthumously awarded the Eichenlaub. Credited with c.350 combat missions and 46 air victories.

As for confirmations, this is difficult to impossible since the majority of this information comes from microfilms of original documents and is supplemented by data from better books. If there is a statement in our files, it is there for a good reason.

We hope that this clarifies things

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Re: ZG2 StaKa question

Hi Evgeny: Regarding Oblt. Siegfried Blume, whom you report as St.Kpt. of 2/ZG2 until 1.9.40, I have the following: "I/ZG2-Focke-Wulf FW58(0089). Collide with bf109 of I/JG2 during routine domestic flight and crashed at Conchez. OBLT.BLUME, Uffz. Pietruschka, and Uffz. Hornberg Killed. A/C DB+CR a write off. This from BOB, Then and Now, Pg.615. Regards Dean
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Re: ZG2 StaKa question

Doug and Dean - thx a lot.
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