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Old 31st March 2013, 14:53
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Bf 109G fin

Hi All

A friend of mine is asking for the history of a Bf 109G fin in a private collection in France. The Wnr is 165641 and has been reported as belonging to JG 53.

My guess due to the "high" fin it is a G-14 but if I recall right also some late G-6 used that same high fin.

Anyone who has a history of the aircraft as such?

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Old 31st March 2013, 15:59
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Re: Bf 109G fin

Hi Stig,

In my crystal ball I see a Bf 109 G-6, Regensburg made.
If JG 53, then II./JG 53. But JG 26 or JG 27 suits me either (according to losses list I have).
Can do nothing more ... just the pleasure to talk!

Do you have more? Place, date and so on ...

Best regards, Franck.
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Old 31st March 2013, 17:00
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Re: Bf 109G fin

Thanks Franck

Wish I had a crystal ball as well....
Unfortunately I have no better details except it may possibly be an aircraft which took off from Stuttgart to crash on the mountain St Quentin in Jan 1945. My friend is just a go-between so I have no first hand information.

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Old 31st March 2013, 19:44
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Re: Bf 109G fin

If the WNr is accurate--and it seems to be-- it is a G-6.
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Old 1st April 2013, 00:35
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Re: Bf 109G fin

Thanks John

Any verification of its history?

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Old 1st April 2013, 04:16
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Re: Bf 109G fin

No, I have records on either side of that number but not that.

I wonder what the small lettering says that starts with "WNr....." is?
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Re: Bf 109G fin

My only concern is that it is wood.

100% this is a sub-contraracted part, an the wood tails did not appear until every late (1944/1945). it also appears to be almost new. Certainly a G6 would have had some wear on it.

Maybe a G6 that was re-built late?

the only G6s that had that tail are the G6/AS

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Old 1st April 2013, 19:02
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Re: Bf 109G fin

The wooden fin was obviously quite standard in normal G-6 aircraft. At least 58 of the 110 G-6 aircraft received by the Finnish Air Force between March - August 1944 were fitted with that. Those were from series 411xxx, 412xxx, 163xxx, 164xxx, 165xxx, 166xxx and 167xxx. Only two of them were G-6/AS.

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Re: Bf 109G fin

John,

The small lettering is the same number as above, but hand painted. Guess the sub-contractor painted them on and the larger numbers applied later.

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Old 1st April 2013, 22:06
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Re: Bf 109G fin

Thanks Everyone

I appreciate your time spent on this. Seems this particular WNr lacks any kind of written documentation.

Is it possible to find out where those G-6 in the close vicinity were delivered? I suppose it is not too far fetched to believe this aircraft went in the same direction.

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