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Identification of WW1 Aircraft Types Please
I am just going through my grandfather's photos of WW1 aircraft and am unsure of the types shown in these images. I think the captured German plane is an Albatross but not sure which model. Any help in identifying the aircraft types will be appreciated.
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Best wishes Tim O. Looking for any information or documents relating to: Alfred Schmittka 5./KG 54; Josef Harmeling 4.(Schlacht)/LG 2; Wilhelm Gaul 1./106, 2./906 & III./KG 40; Karl Müller I./KG 2; Werner Breese 5.(F)/122 |
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Re: Identification of WW1 Aircraft Types Please
Hi Tim
Albatros D.I Martinsyde F.1 experimental Voisin VIII modified Sopwith Camel F.1 Nieuport-built trainer ( they put the serial in a white block) Nick |
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You are a star! Thank you for the very quick reply. This is very helpful.
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Best wishes Tim O. Looking for any information or documents relating to: Alfred Schmittka 5./KG 54; Josef Harmeling 4.(Schlacht)/LG 2; Wilhelm Gaul 1./106, 2./906 & III./KG 40; Karl Müller I./KG 2; Werner Breese 5.(F)/122 |
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A questi8on on the Sopwith. Definitely a Sopwith from the tail, but I thought all Sopwith F-1's had cutouts in the upper wing for improved viewing. I do not see cutouts there. Vic |
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Re: Identification of WW1 Aircraft Types Please
Tim
Just to expand slightly on the above correct details I would say 1. The Albatros is clearly a D.I (look at the inward slanting struts above the engine and the high set top wing). It is in British markings which indicates it is the former D.391/16 flown by Ltn Büttner of Jasta Boelcke and captured 1 Dec 1916. It was painted with British roundels sometime during the spring of 1917. 2. Martinsyde F.1 A3933 (A3934 was never fisnished), a failed Bristol Fighter competitor and I would say it lost for one primary reason, the old fashioned thinking of putting the observer in front of the pilot. It was highly criticized when under test. It is seen here being in one single colour probably rather late in life so 1918 is more likely than 1917. 3. Voisin LAP (type VIIIBn2) V.1721 a French long range night bomber used mainly in 1917 by frontline units. It has no distinguishing markings (except the interesting digits 544). 4. Sopwith Camel F.1 C87 and most probably its final end. The Nieuport mentioned by Nick is not the French company but Nieuport & General Aircraft Co Ltd at Cricklewood Questions: a) Can you give us some better dates Tim? b) Anything else you can tell us, such as where the photos were taken? c) Nick, you say the Voisin LAP is modified. How/where?? Cheers Stig Last edited by Stig Jarlevik; 5th June 2019 at 11:57. Reason: Adding text to the Camel |
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Re: Identification of WW1 Aircraft Types Please
Vic. I think the cut-out ( the normal small half-circle) is above the man's right shoulder: the top wing has been pushed to the right and the cabane struts broken off that side.
Stig, I was thinking the main undercarriage had been strengthened but looking at other photos of LAPs there were several styles. The Camel....I should have said "probably" from a Reserve / Training squadron as it's unarmed and has a typical individual marking although a few Camels in the Aegean had similar narrow bands though not as a squadron marking. Regards Nick |
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Re: Identification of WW1 Aircraft Types Please
Thanks Nick
The LAP (type VIIIBn2) had many problems, one being the undercarriage which, due to the increased engine power, had to be modified a number of times. The other main one was the engine itself.... With regard to the Camel it seems it was delivered in April 1918 to 201/202 TDS (Training Depot Stations) at Cranwell and later to 62TS (Training Squadron) at Hounslow where it was SOC 18.5.1918. A very short life.... Cheers Stig |
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Re: Identification of WW1 Aircraft Types Please
Stig;I defer to your greater wisdom; you are absolutely correct re. Albatros D.I.
Vic |
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Re: Identification of WW1 Aircraft Types Please
Stig. The Training Squadron didn't last much longer, disbanded in July.
If you havn't seen them you may find these interesting as regards serials etc. Nick http://albindenis.free.fr/Site_escad...fabricants.htm http://www.airhistory.org.uk/rfc/French.html |
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Re: Identification of WW1 Aircraft Types Please
Thanks Nick
Yes, I am aware of the sites, but have only been nibbling on both of them. Unfortunately I belong to those "old duffers" who are rather more comfortable with their books than the internet..... Guess it has something to do with "Old dogs" and all that.... Cheers Stig |
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