Heinkel 111 casualty 19.9.43 9/KG4.

[Jim P.]

Thank you for the clarification Matti. And Steve, not done yet - it still looks like some clerk was having a bad day sorting out paperwork for KG 4 because on 17-9 there is another 'unattached' loss. (And I still haven't found the name Goller in my He111 file!)

He 111H-, , n.n., , III., 7., KG 4, , , , , 17-Sep-43, Enemy fighters. Bf WIA., , Lfl.6/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12)-Vol.23, , Jelnja, b, F, Bf Uffz. Heinz Rudolf, ,

[Jim P.]

And did just find Goller in the GQM data from my db.

He 111H-, , n.n., , III., 7., KG 4, , , , , 17-Sep-43, Enemy fighters. Bs WIA., , Lfl.6/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12)-Vol.23, , Jelnja, b, F, Bs Ogefr. Herbert Goller, ,

[Matti Salonen]

From the NVM:

1943-09-17, 7./KG 4, He 111 H-16, 161384, 5J+ER, Bei Jelnja
Bordfunker Uffz Rudolph, Heinz, verletzt
Jägerbeschuß. Bruch ? %.

Matti

[Jim P.]

Thanks again Matti - that would appear to resolve the several KG 4 incomplete losses for 17. & 19-Sep-43!

[Jim P.]

Oh, and I just noticed WNr. 161384 was a total loss on 19-Sep.

He 111H-16, 161384, STROBEL, Hptm. Paul (B)/Fock, Uffz. Walter (F), , III., 7., KG 4, , 5J+ER, , , 19-Sep-43, Stkp. Both KIA with crew due to midair collision with He 111 WNr. 160926 while climbing through overcast. Took from Orscha-Süd., B & Bm RK. Bm Ofw. Eisen per loss., Lfl.6/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21; Kaiser, Die Ritterkreuzträger der Kampfflieger, V.1, p.80-81, V.2, p.138-139, , westlich Dubrowka, südlich Orscha, 100%, F, Bf Ogefr. Georg Arnold, Bm Ofw. Reinhard AIGEN & Bs Uffz. Ewald Oetken, ,

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Jim

With your last loss stated, I think I now have a better theory of what happened.
On the 17th there was a strafing attack on Jelnja with a few damaged aircraft and wounded staff

On the 19th there was a mission in rather bad weather, and one aircraft hit some trees, while two others collided while climbing.

The GQM report was probably a bit garbled while the NVM (mostly as usual) tried to correct the errors.

Cheers
Stig