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Photo Two Bavarian Trainers
Hello,
Currently for sale on ebay at : 1. https://www.ebay.de/itm/Luftaufnahme...EAAOSwh4BeLcql and 2.https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fotos-Fliege...YAAOSwITReLdHr are interesting photos of two training aircraft in bavarian service. 1. Is Albatros C.I (Rol) 1811/15. The seller of this item has the aircraft as serving with FA (A) 263. However, the same aircraft is included in J Herris Albatros Aircradt of WW.I Vol.2 P.209 and one of the photod has ub-Flieg-Abt Sonthofen, where Königlich Bayerische Übungsflieger-Abteilung was based and to my mind this seems a more likely operator.As a further note this machine has an erroneous serial number on the tailplane of 1811/16. 2. Is Rumpler C.VIII 12585/17 known to have served with bMFS 4. Regards, Clint |
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Re: Photo Two Bavarian Trainers
Thanks Clint
Just want to point out that at least two of the other photos carry Fl (A) 263 on them.... Cheers Stig |
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Re: Photo Two Bavarian Trainers
Hi Stig,
Indeed they do. I assume that its possible for a pilot/observer to be trained in Bavaria (Saxony or Wuerttemberg) and subsequently transfer to a Prussian unit? I seem to recall that this was the case in some fighter units, without having details to hand at present. For sure FA (A) 263 wasn't a bavarian unit as frontflieger.de has the bavarian FA (A) as FA(A) 286b to FA (A) 298b inclusive. Regards, Clint |
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Re: Photo Two Bavarian Trainers
Indeed Clint
Both aircraft, units and personal moved around. Too little evidence if you ask me... Cheers Stig |
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Re: Photo Two Bavarian Trainers
A further piece of circumstantial evidence. In the photo and indeed both photos in Albatros Aircraft of WW.I Vol.2 C.1811/5 is not armed. Points to a training unit?
Though inthe interest of full disclosure, I should add that the text to one of the photos states " Albatros C.1811/16 rests in the middle of a unit lineup of Albatros aircraft at the front" Though this is the photo with Üb-Flieg-Abt Sonthofen and Sonthofen would not be an obvious location for a front line unit. Regards, Clint |
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Re: Photo Two Bavarian Trainers
I agree with your observations Clint
However with the photo presently on sale, being in (for example) Peter Grosz collection means it has probably been circulating for quite a while and was/is probably in the possession of many individuals. The basic dilemma with German aviation (pre-1945) is that so much has been lost and we keep looking at photos, a large number undated and without any solid information at all, and try to make educated guesses. I am not saying you are wrong Clint, I am just saying there might be different alternatives. Cheers Stig |
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