Hugo Dahmer's (1./JG 77) mount Summer 1941

[Kari Lumppio]

Salut!

Does anyone know what tactical number did wear the Bf 109 E(-7?) flown by Hugo Dahmer during 1941? The Werke Nummer was 968.

Dahmer claimed a lot during the early period of Barbarossa campaign and received Ritterkreuz as the first pilot in the North. For me more important is the fact that he flew from Rovaniemi, Finland during the period.

The info is for possible future modelling project. AFAIK 1./JG 77 wore usually yellow numbers then (Summer-Autumn 1941). I have asked previously the same question at the Norwegian forum without answer and the same goes for literature (Mombeek and Valtonen books) and Internet searches. The answer might be in Dahmer's logbooks if existing.



Thanks in advance,
Kari

[Jim P.]

According to the Prien team in 'Die Jagdfliegerverbände', VI.2, Dahmer's plane was 'yellow 7' while Carganico, who is usually associated with this machine flew 'white 11'. These are both documented with photos.

[Kari Lumppio]

Hello!

Jim, thanks for a very speedy answer. I do faintly remember reading somewhere something to that effect ( yellow 7 Dahmer's not Carganico's) but IIRC it was not confirmed. I think we can trust in mr. Prien's research.

Did the "yellow 7" carry the "dog in a diamond" emblem while flown by Dahmer?


Cheers,
Kari

[Kjetil Aakra]

Ah, how I have wondered about this myself!

This is from memory and I will check more at home, but I do not agree at this time that Dahmer's W.Nr. 968 was Yellow 7. As far as I know there's not any photos linking Yellow 7 with the Werkenumer 968 which features very prominently on Dahmer's Emil, clearly visible in several shots of the tailfin/rudder.

Furthermore, Carganico was photographed extensively in and around Yellow 7 when he received his Ritterkreuz on 25. September 1941. I cannot see why this would happen if that was not his aircraft? It si of course possible that Carganico "inherited" Yellow 7 from Dahmer, but as Carganico had a special taste in aircraft (prefering to fly with the early canopy, even on his Bf 109Fs) I think he would prefer having an aircraft of his own.

So for now, I'd say that W.Nr. 968's ID number is unknown, Yellow 7 was flown by Carganico and Yellow (not white) 11 was possibly Dahmer's or another persons aircraft. It may be this aircraft that features in the background of several photographs of I./JG 77 aircrew taken shortly after arrival in the north, that aircraft is clearly makred Yellow 11.

What is certain is that Yellow 7 did carry the "dog in diamond" insignia. I have several profiles prepared of this aircraft throughout its carrer (its camouflage and markings changed in subtle but obvious ways with time and there's a phopto of an aircraft with the dog emblem overpainted, probably after Carganico had received a new aircraft). I'll post the profiles at the AHS disucssion forum soon.

More later,

Kjetil

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

Funny that an article by Kjetil Aakra on this very bird will be published on the www.ahs.no website tomorrow.

Regards,
Andreas

[Kjetil Aakra]

Ok, no need to post the profiles then!

Perhaps we can discuss this aircraft here or in the other forum, Kari, if you are interested? I'd surely like to close the book on this one, in case others have knowledge to share on the matter!

Thanks Andreas.

Kjetil

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Jim P.

According to the Prien team in 'Die Jagdfliegerverbände', VI.2, Dahmer's plane was 'yellow 7' while Carganico, who is usually associated with this machine flew 'white 11'. These are both documented with photos.

This is a very old stuff but interesting anyway.
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JimP, Where did you read the Prien's team wrote "Yellow 7" ?? I read "White 7" I mean "Weisse 7" Abb 437, page 417.
Indeed, too, Carganico's "11" wears a Yellow code, not white as described page 416.
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Oh one - or two - error(s) in Prien's (& all) concerning Dahmer caption, page 417:
It' written 21 Abschüsse which is wrong there are 22 on picture we can see the 22nd top just above the horizontal tailplane. Clearly visible on very same picture sold through eBay.
2nd error being the date. 11 July being Prien's comput, not Dahmer comput since he did include in this score board two litigious victories gained when in 6./JG26. Hence, at least, the picture has been made on 9 of July, not on 11st of July.
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Regards,
Franck.