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Old 24th February 2020, 22:30
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Question 14.01.1945 = Ju-52 = Hungary

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I need more information about crew (unit) and a/c shout down by Russian fire of AA Ju-52 on 14.01.1945 in Hungary (probably near to East side of Budapest).
A/c was with code: 4V+FV


Crew:

2 pilots - burned in wrack
1 was Russian POW
1 escaped from warck before explosion

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Old 25th February 2020, 00:08
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Re: 1x.01.1945 = Ju-52 = Hungary

So everything was written in Internet:

1945-01-14, 11./TG 3, Ju 52/3m, 6333, Budapest, Unbekannt. Bruch 100%.
Flugzeugführer Fw Haufe, Johannes, vermißt
Bordfunker Fw Schneck, Wilhelm, vermißt
Bordmechaniker Uffz Dekarz, Helmut, vermißt

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=36298
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19450114-3

and was 4th member of crew for sure it is at Russian report.
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Old 25th February 2020, 09:23
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Re: 1x.01.1945 = Ju-52 = Hungary

Zugligeti-Budakeszi Strasse Western Budapest

Abgeschossen 23h50 radio.op. got captured (he told his plane letter-code to the soviets during interrogation as a POW!), while 2 other people burned in the plane

Dekarz helmut uffz bm dead
Haufe johannes fw f dead
Schneck wilhelm fw bf POW

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Old 25th February 2020, 20:12
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Re: 1x.01.1945 = Ju-52 = Hungary

Here is small part of Russian report:
1 - crew member POW
2 - members burned inside of a/c

1 - escaped/jumped from a/c before exploded in air
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Re: 1x.01.1945 = Ju-52 = Hungary

Question is crew was 3 or 4 ??


Norm. crew for the Ju52 was 4 even at night

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Re: 1x.01.1945 = Ju-52 = Hungary

Ju 52, WNr.: 6333 was downed by 17 ВА, 1654 аэр. полк ПВО, but 17 ВА, 1614 аэр. полк ПВО also claimed it.

The crashing plane damaged a 76.2 mm (probably Zis-3) gun of the soviet 627th Art. Reg. at Zugliget-N, 1 km. (A favorite hiking area in the Buda hills and forests in the Western side of Budapest, near the Janos (John)-Hill lookout.) Survivor radioman, Fw Wilhelm Schneck was captured and interrogated by them.

Attached pic shows the remains of a Ju 52 in the Buda hills, probably in the summer of 1945. Perhaps this plane....

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Re: 1x.01.1945 = Ju-52 = Hungary

11./TG3 ---- 2 crew members:

1)
Bordfunker === Fw Schneck, Wilhelm,

"...Fw Wilhelm Schneck was captured and interrogated by them. ..."

2)
Bordmechaniker === Uffz Dekarz, Helmut,


Helmut Dekarz ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Saldus (Frauenburg)
Endgrablage: Block V Reihe 2 Grab 62 ==== not sure is it the same person ? Place where he was born looks the same = Gelsenkirchen


3) ???
4) ???

Question is crew was 3 or 4 ?? --- seems to me from Russian raport looks like 4 members of crew

So somewhere here "János-hegy":
https://www.google.com/maps/place/J%...591667!5m1!1e4
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Re: 1x.01.1945 = Ju-52 = Hungary

1)
Bordfunker === Fw Schneck, Wilhelm,

"...Fw Wilhelm Schneck was captured and interrogated by them. ..."

2)
Bordmechaniker === Uffz Dekarz, Helmut,


Helmut Dekarz ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Saldus (Frauenburg)
Endgrablage: Block V Reihe 2 Grab 62 ==== not sure is it the same person ? Place where he was born looks the same = Gelsenkirchen


3)Haufe wilhelm fw Fz-Führer /Pilot
4) ... if any !
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