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Old 15th September 2019, 19:44
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A bit of a puzzle?

I would love to know the story about this. BofF, I./KG 76 but no idea of where or when. It would appear to have been a ground collision but I have failed to date it. Any suggestions?
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Old 15th September 2019, 23:26
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Re: A bit of a puzzle?

Hi,Chris
The propelers of both aircrafts appears to be intact. Both planes were stands on it’s landing gears and covers with plants to hide them so I would guess that they were distroyed by it’s own crew.
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Old 16th September 2019, 00:25
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Re: A bit of a puzzle?

The aircraft on the right appears to be resting on its belly.
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Old 16th September 2019, 13:41
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Re: A bit of a puzzle?

tank is i think a Renault R35. Not beute because cross is missing
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Old 16th September 2019, 14:00
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Re: A bit of a puzzle?

I'm not sure this is a ground collision at all. Could be an assembly area on a forward airfield (Absprungplatz) for belly or crash landed aircraft. The tank could be used to drag them over there. On normal home bases they would have repaired these aircraft but on forward bases they would only have the necessary personnel to arm and fuel the a/c and do small minor repairs.
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Old 16th September 2019, 14:23
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A scrapyard?

Rudi could be right.
I feel it could possibly be a scrapyard (perhaps at its beginning), a German or a French one.
Damage to AC is often much worse than we can see at first sight. These Do 17s could be 60-80 % damaged, who knows.
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Old 16th September 2019, 15:30
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Re: A bit of a puzzle?

It is an interesting picture. I guess there are quite a few possible reasons why but, I also suspect that a semi prepared forward strip for tactical medium bombers would expect to have quite a few damaged aircraft and it could easily be a few of them would be on their belly.
Further real info about the pic would be great though! Cheers

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Old 16th September 2019, 15:36
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Re: A bit of a puzzle?

Here are some more photos; you can understand why I am interested to know more!
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Old 16th September 2019, 16:30
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No insignia ?

On both Dos I can't see any insignia. Isn't this odd?
Do 17s suffered heavy losses in particular at the hands of French fighters. Perhaps the German ground crews hadn't the time to paint insignia on replacement aircraft. So perhaps both these were replacement AC sent to some KG.
What we see could be a French scrapyard (containing German aircraft (too) overrun by German troops or a German one…
The French tank was obviously lost by the French.
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Old 16th September 2019, 16:54
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Re: A bit of a puzzle?

Well, in the first picture, it would appear that some tactical camo with the branches was needed so, maybe close to the action at some time? Looking at the detail a bit more, in the second pic you can see that the good starboard engine of the aircraft still on one leg has been properly removed since the first pic, the camo branches gone, and yet, the AFV looks the same. Note that the aircraft on it's belly has bent forward prop tips on both engines so, have probably been turning and travelling backwards at some point, its right engine has signs of a strong impact and a prop blade broken off. Also the U/C appears to have collapsed from the lowered position. In the last pic, you see the properly removed engine detail and, smashed-off but still lying on the ground, the left wing-outboard of the Port engine.
If having to judge from this, I guess the aircraft that is left on its belly came along gear down and smashed into left wing/engine of the parked aircraft with its right engine. It broke the parked aircraft wing and collapsed the left U/C. The crashing aircraft then span around 180 degrees, losing its U/C and coming to rest facing the way it had come. Speed at impact would be about 100kmh to do this damage, but not smash the aircraft.
The pics might show the initial scene when the recovery team arrived and during the initial recovery stages (removal of the undamaged engine in situ).
Just my guesses!
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