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Old 26th November 2013, 18:42
Johannes Johannes is offline
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Josef Groten of Sturmstaffel 1

Hi Guys

Can anybody please tell me if Fw Josef Groten of JG 3's Sturmstaffel 1(born 30th October 1916) and survived the war, was the same Guy as Gefr Josef Groten of 3./LG 1 who claimed a Polish PZL-24 on 3rd September 1939 0803 hrs 2000 metres.

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Old 27th November 2013, 00:20
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Question Re: Josef Groten of Sturmstaffel 1

I also wonder this question:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...&highlight=jg3
so maybe somebody can confirm ?

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Old 14th November 2019, 04:39
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Re: Josef Groten of Sturmstaffel 1

Johannes,

As a long-time researcher of Sturmstaffel 1, I can verify that Gefreiter Josef "Jupp" Groten, who shot down a Polish PZL-24 on 3 September 1939, was the same pilot who was reported as missing on 3 March 1945 when he was serving with the I./J.G. 3 and held the rank of Feldwebel. Groten was either shot down and bailed out, made a belly landing, or his aircraft had a mechanical issue that forced him to bail out or make a belly landing. If I had to guess, I think his Me 109 was struck by machine gun fire from a Russian fighter, forcing him to bail out near Freienwalde/Stargard. Groten fled westward on foot and was eventually taken into American captivity. I was in contact with Groten's wife, who gave me details about her husband's military service; she also gave me his Soldbuch, which is one of my most treasured Soldbücher in my collection.

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Old 15th November 2019, 20:14
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Re: Josef Groten of Sturmstaffel 1

One soviet fighter claim in the area was:
On 03.03.45 Kap. Vasiliy Martionovich Beyzak (11+2) of Yak-3-equipped 133 IAP (234 IAD, 6 IAK, 16 VA, 1 Belorussian Front) was credited with 1 Bf.109 s/d over Regenfelde for personal victory No.10.
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