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Old 20th March 2020, 14:24
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

different camo may indicate one of the 36 converted T-3 (DLH Staaken, based on S-3) instead of the 12 direct-built T-3 (Henschel)
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Old 20th March 2020, 15:45
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

The Stkz NM+H series did not run in a 26 letter sequence but for security reasons was split between two W/Nr runs. all with Ju88S-3s
330141 - 330166 ??+?A - ??+?Z (26 run sequence appears to have been allocated)
330167 - 330180 - NM+HA - NM+HN
330221 - 330230 - NM+HO - NM+HX
It seems as HY and HZ were not allocated as I have NM+HY as a Fw56A with FFS(A/B)43
Does anybody else have any other possible sequences for the Type S-3?
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Old 20th March 2020, 17:30
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

A good point Tom, I hv also suspected that as the Wn confirmed/proofed of the serie 330141 +, seems to end at 330178 a gap nd then T-3 from .. 224 to 247, STKZ for the last ones is debatable BG+H. or BK+K. or possibly 246 is BG+HZ nd the following 247 start with BK+KK, your opinion Tom ??


330141 to 330166 i can offer NL+L. , I hv LA/LB/LC/LD/LS documented ...


Regarding Peter, Stig, as he is very quiet for some time , I only try to tease him, regarding what post Tom, what he says is full of sense of course. But at the time i was not aware of ...


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Old 20th March 2020, 17:40
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

In the first lot, 330141/166, I hv doubts if any before 330146...


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Old 20th March 2020, 19:07
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

Tom,

"It seems as HY and HZ were not allocated as I have NM+HY as a Fw56A with FFS(A/B)43"

That one I have as NM+AY.
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Old 21st March 2020, 00:54
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

Thanks Remi & Gerhard - Much appreciated.

Gerhard - I have no references for NM+HY just an odd STKZ which is now highly suspect and therefore I consider is a TYPO. So Remi this now leaves me clear to consider the last two Stkz in the sequence NM+AY/AZ.
I have Ju88S-3 - 330253 to 330275 as BR+LD to BR+LZ
(Note: BR+LA to LE was allocated to Me410A-1 120110 to 120114)
This leaves the two missing Stkz for Ju88S-3 - 330251 - 252. To me this seems highly likely (and this is just a suggestion?) that NM+AY/AZ was allocated to this slot. This fits in with the split W/Nr blocks and the known W/Nr/Stkz we have to hand.
To go back to 330141 - 166 block that you suggest is in the NL+L series, I have NL+LA to LD as Type S-1. Can you give me anymore info on the ones you listed as LA/LB/LC/LD/LS with documentation. Thanks
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Old 21st March 2020, 12:45
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

First of all, thanks for everyone's input

However I am now even more confused than before.

Tom
In your last post you now say that Me 410 WNr 120114 is BR+LE. According to Petrick/Stocker WNr 120110 - 120116 were BR+LA to BR+LG
Now that is the same STKZ as you give for Ju 88 S-3 WNr 330253 -330256.
Something is wrong here, please explain.

Then you mention STKZ NM+AY/AZ (I hope with that you actually mean NM+HY and +HZ), but I don't understand why they should be WNr 330251 and 252? NM+HX (the last one you list) was 330230.

Rémi
I confess I don't understand your version at all.
Could you please tabulate your STKZ lists again in a more readable version and what you think your ranges include? All I can see is you differ from Tom's listings....

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Old 21st March 2020, 16:38
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

Hi Stig - Thanks for bringing me back down to earth. And I apologize to all for muddying the waters. A warning to all - DO NOT DO ANYTHING AFTER A BUSY NIGHT OUT AND RUSHING IT BEFORE TURNING THE LIGHTS OUT
I did two sets of lists and got these hopelessly mixed up and should have re-checked the final input before sending off.
For some reason my records only have the Me410A-1 to 120110 - 120114. I do not have the Petrick/Stoker info but see that Peter's data-base includes this up to BR+LG but did not check this. My records amended.
I still maintain that the Ju88S-3 W/Nrs include 330221 with NM+HO and may have used all the sequence up to NM+HZ (330232) so perhaps had no further splits up to 330290. The only known ones I have is BR+LU/LZ - 330270 - 330275. The next sequence is 330276 - 330290 SP+MA to MN. I have nothing for the Stkz BG+H series or the BK+K that includes Ju 88S-3? Can anybody help?
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Old 21st March 2020, 16:44
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

First of all I hv to say that , here we don ‘t hv to do with an accurate science, we hv tits nd bits, nd try to put up consistent series .
Material is scarce many more hv been lost compae to available material, all our supposition/findings
are based on ;
Losses returns /NVM, never we shall praise Matti enought for that
Logbooks
Documents from the Test stations
Documents from the factories, a lot of them exist , but seems some hv the value of gold , nd their holders dont share them easily
Books
Some sites , TOCH, Stammkennzeichen.de, ……spread theses data.
But as I said many things are missing…
Stig, I will try to put the data in an excel file it will be clearer..
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Old 22nd March 2020, 11:41
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

Tom

Thanks, now I follow you better, even if the range 330276 - 290 cannot be SP+MA to +MN. You have either one WNr too much (15 positions right now) or one STKZ missing (14 positions right now).

Rémi

Thanks to you as well. With regard to Matti, yes it goes without saying, he is a giant and I think I speak for us all when I say that.
I would very much appreciate a list from your side.

From a general point, I do feel very much like a novice when it comes to the intricacies of German aircraft production, and it is not always I get the point straight away. But I am interested and do try to follow a certain learning curve...

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