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Old 22nd March 2020, 19:24
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

First of all , if we accept what Denniss said, 12 T-3 were made directly by Henschel , probably the 330221 to 330232 , nd 36 were made with existing S-3, we could find trace of these ones in the losses, nd batch is discontinued I found 12 pcs of them
I noted also that the T-2 nd S-2 are used, possibly, concerning the S-2 to name the transformed A-4 …
I found also a very rare A-5 880678 GM+ZC transformed to an ‘T’, who fits well in the GM+F. serie, in middle of wich we find Hs130 …Ju88 study offers lot of surprises indeed
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Old 22nd March 2020, 22:20
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

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First of all , if we accept what Denniss said, 12 T-3 were made directly by Henschel , probably the 330221 to 330232 , nd 36 were made with existing S-3, we could find trace of these ones in the losses, nd batch is discontinued I found 12 pcs of them
I noted also that the T-2 nd S-2 are used, possibly, concerning the S-2 to name the transformed A-4 …
I found also a very rare A-5 880678 GM+ZC transformed to an ‘T’, who fits well in the GM+F. serie, in middle of wich we find Hs130 …Ju88 study offers lot of surprises indeed

no, no, no. Please stop the speculations, its serving no-one but confusing probably most. The GM+ZC was a Ju 88 C-7, special conversion, a forrunner of all Ju 88 Ts but never a T.

All of you commenting in this thread, you seem have just bits and pieces, not nessarily wrong, just premature and speculative to discuss in this way.
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Old 22nd March 2020, 22:33
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

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All of you commenting in this thread, you seem have just bits and pieces, not nessarily wrong
That's true of me, you and everyone else, except perhaps on the narrowest of topics. How could it be otherwise when the documentation surviving from World War 2 is so fragmentary?
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Old 22nd March 2020, 23:06
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

Hello Ed, you are right only speculations based on b+t, but at least we hv something to show, even if not 100 % 'certified', nevertheless I accept your critics

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transformed to an ‘T’ , is not very different to, a C-7 forrunner of all Ju 88 Ts...
Further this C-7 was also a transformed A-5 probably

So like Lavoisier said, "Rien ne se perd, rien ne se crée, tout se transforme "
Nothing is lost, nothing is created, everything is transformed, not necessary to translate the "grins"

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Old 23rd March 2020, 13:37
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

Hi all

I also want to say no, no, no.
GM + ZC was a Hs 130 (FB Darre) and not a Ju88!
In this work number range is the last SKZ GN+OP I know for the Ju88 A-5/0677, then there is a gap up to the GM+ZR, Ju 88 A-5/0693.
GM+ZA - GM+ZB were He 111,
GM+ZC - GM+ZI were Hs 130, followed by a Do 17 / GM+ZL and finally a Ju 88 D / GM+ZN (WNr. Not known, probably 0689).
The Ju 88 C-7 is said to be WNr. 0648 (this information comes from the Internet and I can not prove it).
The Ju 88 D-2/0678 was lost on February 20, 1042 via England (1./Vers.Verb.ObdL).
In any case, the Ju 88 C-7 was definitely not wearing the SKZ GM+ZC.

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Old 23rd March 2020, 15:01
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

Rémi

Sorry, but I cannot open your attachment. According to my computer the file is damaged and I cannot repair it how much I try.

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I also have the Hs 130 V2 as GM+ZC but I don't follow you with the loss of WNr 088.0678. All sources I have say it was lost 20 April 1943 as T9+FH 1.(V)/Ob.d. Lw. Some claim it was a T-1 but I stick to what Ed says, a C-7.

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Old 23rd March 2020, 16:49
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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

Hello Jochen,


To me the code on FB Darre looks like GM+ZG...


Data for the 0678/GM+ZC seems to come from Rössler, what hv Ed for this one ??

Sure around these numbers it's a mess, when I gave the 0678/GM+ZC I don't bother around it , the subject of the thread was T/S models nd we are seeking in the 330xxx range sorry.
Between 0677 nd 0693 there is lot of numbers, that we can find in the losses or the logs of test-pilots
We can open a special thread for these ones

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Re: Ju-88T-2/3 NM+HQ

Hello Stig,

a clarification:
GQM 23 Feb 1942 item 2
20.2. 3.(F)/122 Feindflug, Ort: Fl.Pl. Montdidier, Ursache: Bauchlandung infolge Bedienungsfehler, Ju 88 D-1 1678 (not 0678!) 45%.

GQM 22 April 1943 item 177
20.4. 1./Vers.Verb.d.Ob.d.L. Feindflug, Auftrag: Chelmsford, Ursache: Feindbeschuß, Ju 88 0678 (T9+FH) 100%.
F Lt Bäumer, Hans verm
B Lt Hunold, Paul verm
Bf Ofw Dietz, Hermann verm.
Correction 5 May 1943: Lt Bäumer, Lt Hunold, Ofw Dietz gefallen. Ändere Verlusttag in 20.2.43 (Ju 88 Werk-Nr. 0678).

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Old 23rd March 2020, 17:12
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Stig, file was .xlsx , but as the site don't accept this type of files, nd change it in .xls, if you force it, it will open
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Old 23rd March 2020, 17:25
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I thing now you could open it
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