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Old 23rd March 2020, 09:32
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Any Crashed Enemy A/C Reports or (Belgian) experts on Le Culot and Charleroi-Gosselies airfields?

Dear all,

I'm looking for Crashed Enemy Aircraft Reports (or the American equivalent thereof) or experts on Le Culot (a.k.a Beauvechain) and Charleroi-Gosselies airfields (Belgium) in the hope of finally locating a blown-up Ju 88 S-3 of 3./KG66. Aircraft was likely left behind during the retreat from France via Belgium and the Netherlands to Germany.

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Old 23rd March 2020, 09:50
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Hi Marcel,

These pages from Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report No. 255 (dated 10 October 1944) have a few wrecks at Beauvechain.
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Old 23rd March 2020, 23:13
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Thanks Nick! Until recently I had never realized that Beauvechain and Le Culot were actually the same airfield. It’s a pity the Allied investigation team for Le Culot/Beauvechain only recorded the Werknummer and doesn’t mention the tactical markings and aircraft code..Unfortunately of the aircraft in question the aircraft code Z6+HL is fully visible on the fin, however the Werknummer (330..then possibly a 2..last 2 characters illegible..) can only partially be seen. I even wonder whether some of the A-4s in the Crashed Enemy Aircraft Report for Le Culot were misidentified and could actually be S-3s, as for example the nose of the aircraft I’m investigating is completely destroyed. Does anybody have an overview (i.e. list) of the Werknummer Block for the Ju 88 S-3 (assuming that they were converted as a batch rather than as individual and completely different aircraft)?”
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Old 24th March 2020, 08:43
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Hello Marcel, Nick
here are some info, alas not much about Bauvechain. However, Nick is this the only page for Reims?
There are 100 wrecks recorded on the base of Reims. 80 on the aerodrome and about 20 between the station and the aerodrome. Do you have the next page of the Reims document?
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  • 14-15/07/1944 Ju88G1 wk# 3./NJG4 Hemptinne nord est de phillipeville uffz H. Holze,?
  • 5-6/04/1944 Ju88C6 wk#7 50249 "3C+AK" 2./NJG4 1,2km sud est de philippeville W. Oldenburg, S. Lauenburg, J. Clasen, A. Stornau, G. Wend, tués
  • 23/24/12/1944 Ju88G1 werk 714045 “3C+E(B)M" 4./NJG4 Heer sur Meuse Ofhr K. Hülfert, disparu; G. Richter T. Weinrich, prisonniers
  • 23/24/12/1944[ Ju88S3 werk? “L1+KM" 4./LG1 Soy-Hotton A. Johänntges, prisonnier
  • 26/12/1944 Fw190D9 wk#? I/JG26 Carlsbourg nord de Bouillon Fw Otto Hans Schöndorf prisonnier
  • 26/12/1944 Fw190D9 wk 210931 “10+bleu" 4./JG26 Nord de Bouillon vers Carlsbourg oblt Hans Hartigs, prisonnier
  • 27/12/1944 Fw190A8[ werk 175048 “2+blanc" I./JG1 vers Dinant hans joachim Lûpke, disparu
  • 27/12/1944[ Ju88G6 wk#6 20870 “4R+HW" 12./NJG2 Chaumont pres de Florennes HJ.Wagener, tué
  • 30/12/1944 Ju188[ p3548 est de Libramont?
  • 31/12/1944 Ju88 wk#140207 "G9+Gy 4./NJG4 Heer sur Meuse uffz Mikusky Konrad, Alfred Overbeck, Heinz Hermann Gobrecht, tués
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14-15/07/1944 Ju88G1 wk# 3./NJG4 Hemptinne nord est de phillipeville uffz H. Holze,? 5-6/04/1944 Ju88C6 wk#750249 "3C+AK" 2./NJG4 1,2km sud est de philippeville W. Oldenburg, S. Lauenburg, J. Clasen, A. Stornau, G. Wend, tués 23/24/12/1944 Ju88G1 werk714045 "3C+E(B)M" 4./NJG4 Heer sur Meuse Ofhr K. Hülfert, disparu; G. Richter T. Weinrich, prisonniers 23/24/12/1944 Ju88S3 werk? "L1+KM" 4./LG1 Soy-Hotton A. Johänntges, prisonnier 26/12/1944 Fw190D9 wk#? I/JG26 Carlsbourg nord de Bouillon Fw Otto Hans Schöndorf prisonnier 26/12/1944 Fw190D9 wk210931 "10+bleu" 4./JG26 Nord de Bouillon vers Carlsbourg oblt Hans Hartigs, prisonnier 27/12/1944 Fw190A8 werk175048 "2+blanc" I./JG1 vers Dinant hans joachim Lûpke, disparu 27/12/1944 Ju88G6 wk#620870 "4R+HW" 12./NJG2 Chaumont pres de Florennes HJ.Wagener, tué 30/12/1944 Ju188 p3548 est de Libramont ? 31/12/1944 Ju88 wk#140207 "G9+Gy 4./NJG4 Heer sur Meuse uffz Mikusky Konrad, Alfred Overbeck, Heinz Hermann Gobrecht, tués
Those crashes are rather in the area of Florennes-Juzaine airfield (or at least in the South part of Belgium, I have investigated some of them), Beauvechain is much norther, center of Belgium.
I am afraid no Ju 88S appears neither in the books "Beauvechain Le Culot 1935 -1945 Flugplatz -Airfield by Robert PIED (ISBN 296001720X) nor about Gosselies.
But perhaps if you forward me the pic I can transfer it to a friend well aware of both airfield.


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Do you have the next page of the Reims document?
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Re: Any Crashed Enemy A/C Reports or (Belgian) experts on Le Culot and Charleroi-Gosselies airfields?

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Nor had I!
Hi Marcel,

Do you happen to have a high resolution photo of Z6+HL in Belgium at the time, or do you know if it is published anywhere? The only version I know in ‚Luftwaffe Codes Units and Markings‘ is very low quality and I would like to make this aircraft a modeling project.

Thanks,
David

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Those crashes are rather in the area of Florennes-Juzaine airfield (or at least in the South part of Belgium, I have investigated some of them), Beauvechain is much norther, center of Belgium.
I am afraid no Ju 88S appears neither in the books "Beauvechain Le Culot 1935 -1945 Flugplatz -Airfield by Robert PIED (ISBN 296001720X) nor about Gosselies.
But perhaps if you forward me the pic I can transfer it to a friend well aware of both airfield.


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Hi Clin, I would be very interested in both books. Do you have a title and ISBN for the one on Gosselies also, perhaps? PS Could you please send me a PM with your email address?

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Old 25th March 2020, 00:14
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Hello Marcel, Nick
here are some info, alas not much about Bauvechain. However, Nick is this the only page for Reims?
There are 100 wrecks recorded on the base of Reims. 80 on the aerodrome and about 20 between the station and the aerodrome. Do you have the next page of the Reims document?
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  • 14-15/07/1944 Ju88G1 wk# 3./NJG4 Hemptinne nord est de phillipeville uffz H. Holze,?
  • 5-6/04/1944 Ju88C6 wk#7 50249 "3C+AK" 2./NJG4 1,2km sud est de philippeville W. Oldenburg, S. Lauenburg, J. Clasen, A. Stornau, G. Wend, tués
  • 23/24/12/1944 Ju88G1 werk 714045 “3C+E(B)M" 4./NJG4 Heer sur Meuse Ofhr K. Hülfert, disparu; G. Richter T. Weinrich, prisonniers
  • 23/24/12/1944[ Ju88S3 werk? “L1+KM" 4./LG1 Soy-Hotton A. Johänntges, prisonnier
  • 26/12/1944 Fw190D9 wk#? I/JG26 Carlsbourg nord de Bouillon Fw Otto Hans Schöndorf prisonnier
  • 26/12/1944 Fw190D9 wk 210931 “10+bleu" 4./JG26 Nord de Bouillon vers Carlsbourg oblt Hans Hartigs, prisonnier
  • 27/12/1944 Fw190A8[ werk 175048 “2+blanc" I./JG1 vers Dinant hans joachim Lûpke, disparu
  • 27/12/1944[ Ju88G6 wk#6 20870 “4R+HW" 12./NJG2 Chaumont pres de Florennes HJ.Wagener, tué
  • 30/12/1944 Ju188[ p3548 est de Libramont?
  • 31/12/1944 Ju88 wk#140207 "G9+Gy 4./NJG4 Heer sur Meuse uffz Mikusky Konrad, Alfred Overbeck, Heinz Hermann Gobrecht, tués
Thanks Joel,

Marcel
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Old 25th March 2020, 00:17
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Re: Any Crashed Enemy A/C Reports or (Belgian) experts on Le Culot and Charleroi-Gosselies airfields?

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Hi Marcel,

Do you happen to have a high resolution photo of Z6+HL in Belgium at the time, or do you know if it is published anywhere? The only version I know in ‚Luftwaffe Codes Units and Markings‘ is very low quality and I would like to make this aircraft a modeling project.

Thanks,
David
Hi David, I will see what I can do. PS I haven't forgotten about your request, I just need some more time to look things up.

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