Photos 3-9 - Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

edwest · #1 9th March 2007, 04:37

edwest · #2 9th March 2007, 05:16

Me 109
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Usual disclaimer,
Ed

PhilippeDM · #3 9th March 2007, 10:30

Guys,

Did you saw this one???
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For me it is a first... Some comments?

Thank You Ed!

F19Gladiator · #4 9th March 2007, 14:15

Philippe, Fw 190 D? Perhaps you mean this one:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=140094528295

Looks like Fw 190 D-11, "White Chevron 57", WNr 220011 found at Bad Wörishofen in May 1945.

PhilippeDM · #5 9th March 2007, 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by F19Gladiator

Philippe, Fw 190 D? Perhaps you mean this one:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=140094528295

Looks like Fw 190 D-11, "White Chevron 57", WNr 220011 found at Bad Wörishofen in May 1945.

Gladiator, Your right. I just corrected the link in the original message.

Micke D · #6 9th March 2007, 16:09

Hi Guys!

I got shivers down my spine when I suddenly noticed that this Dora has a load of R4M rockets under the wing!!!

I’m not entirely sure that it actually shows Fw 190 D-11, "White Chevron 57", W.Nr. 220011 found at Bad Wörishofen in May 1945, as that bird was photographed on open ground and on its belly. But this photo can of course have been taken before that.

Or my theory, could this maybe be a second photo of the well known D-9 with R4M’s photographed in a south German forest?

/Micke D

Modeldad · #7 9th March 2007, 16:24

Knew I've seen this one befor!
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In the monograph Polish Wings No. 6 by Wojtek Matusiak, page 48.

According to Matusiak, this is Spitfire Mk. I K979, which became the Mk. II prototype with a Merlin XII and then converted to PR. Crashed over the Ruhr on 17 August 1940 and the pilot, F/Sgt. J. D. T. Taylor-Gill becoming a POW.

The aircraft was later displayed in Vienna then Warsaw.

Modeldad · #8 9th March 2007, 16:27

Now these D520s are most interesting. They appear to be Vichy aircraft handed over to the Regia Aeronautica. Full Vichy markings, but with the white RA fuselage and wing bands. The badge is unfamiliar, perhaps Mr. D'Amico can add information.

Thanks Ed for finding all these great pictures.

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PhilippeDM · #9 9th March 2007, 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micke D

Hi Guys!

I got shivers down my spine when I suddenly noticed that this Dora has a load of R4M rockets under the wing!!!

I’m not entirely sure that it actually shows Fw 190 D-11, "White Chevron 57", W.Nr. 220011 found at Bad Wörishofen in May 1945, as that bird was photographed on open ground and on its belly. But this photo can of course have been taken before that.

Or my theory, could this maybe be a second photo of the well known D-9 with R4M’s photographed in a south German forest?

/Micke D

I think you're correct. But IIRC there are 2 pics of R4M Fw 190: the one on the Lister airport (JG 26) (Rodeike book) and the one in the woods (David E. Brow booklet). This would make 3.... Have to check in those books. Am at work now...

David E. Brown · #10 9th March 2007, 17:12

Hi Micke,

You are correct in your interpretation. This image is indeed the starboard side view of the Dora-9 Dave Wadman and I described in our Experten decals book way back in 1995.

In addition to the position of the trees in the background and cut branches in front of the machine, the position of the prop, solid-coloured spinner, RLM 81 stripe on the rea fuselage insert and fin leading edge, and upper/lower surface demarcation lines all are identical. Enlarging the image confirms that there are 13 R4M 'Orkan' rockets attached to the wooden launcher. Obviously though, some time has passed between the taking of the two images, with this one being later as the canopy, windscreen and lower landing gear doors are all missing.

It would be most interesting to know if the werknummer is visible in the original print. That area is delibereately blurred to cover the swastika. Perhaps Eric Larger might comment on its possible werknummergruppe.

Since our initial efforts, we concluded that this machine, along with others from JGr.10, ended up with I./JG 301. This was based on documentary eveidence as well as the red and yellow tailband. In this image, the forward red half is just visible but the rear yellow part is very light in shade. The converse is true for our image.

Also, note that the white '57' is rather fresh in appearance. There is a patch of paint under it that infers an earlier code number existed but was covered over, likely when it was received by I./JG 301

More information can be found here: http://www.stormbirds.net/experten/p...2addendum1.htm

Cheers,

David

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