25 August 1941

[Nokose]

I am having trouble opening Tony Woods Luftwaffe claims list. Can anyone tell me if it lists a ZG unit making a claim on the 25 August 1941 approx 12:04.

[Rottler]

Hello Nokose,

in Reich & Western Front 1941 Vol. I and Vol. II for the day phase 25 August 1941 no claims are listed.

Regards
Leo

[Nokose]

Sorry Rottler, I should have been more precise (I had something come up that I posted to fast). I am looking for the Eastern Front for a ZG unit claiming an I-16 at that time.

[Rottler]

Hello Nokose,

in Eastern Front Vol. I on 25 August 1941 no ZG claims are listed.
Listed are
Ofw Erwin Sallwisch Stab/JG 27 I-153 10.50
Oblt Erich Hohagen Stab II./JG 51 SB-3 12.50
Fw Rudolf Nielinger 4./JG 51 DB-3 07.55
Fw Rudolf Nielinger 4./JG 51 DB-3 12.51
Fw Otto Schultz 4./JG 51 DB-3 07.55
Ofw Wilhelm Schilling 9./JG 54 I-16 12.45
Lt Herbert Huppertz 9./JG 51 I-16 16.10
Oblt Karlfried Nordmann Stab IV./JG 51 DB-3 17.55
Uffz Franz Beerenbrock Stab IV./JG 51 DB-3 17.58
Uffz Franz Beerenbrock Stab IV./JG 51 DB-3 18.02
Oblt Karlfried Nordmann Stab IV./JG 51 DB-3 18.03
Lt Georg Seelmann 11./JG 51 R-3 18.12

Regards
Leo

[Nokose]

Thank You.

[SteveR]

No ZG claims for that day in Michael Balss' book either.

[Dmitry Volodin]

From Lageberichte №68 Flivo AOK16:
25.08.41 VIII.Fl.Kp. – 25 Abschusse + 5 Flak
I.Fl.Kp. – 8 Abschusse (+2 additional from Lageberichte №69)
From JFV Teil 6/I.II (Prien):
VIII.Fl.Kp. – Stab/JG27 1 claim, II./JG52 11 claims
I.Fl.Kp. – JG54 3 claims, II./JG53 10 claims
So, ZG26 (I.Fl.Kp.) – 0 claims, II./SKG210 (VIII.Fl.Kp.) – 25-12=13 claims
Maybe I./SKG210 (Sescha airfield) had some claims?

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Dmitry, a part of the air victories could also be claimed by bomber gunners. And a number of claims compiled in Lageberichte in August 1941 could have been made by BF 109 pilots, but later rejected, and so missing from JFV

[Dmitry Volodin]

Correction: VIII.Fl.Kp. – 25+2 Abschusse, I.Fl.Kp. – 8 Abschusse.
IMHO II./JG53 was under VIII. Fl.Kp. in this period.
So, VIII.Fl.Kp. – Stab/JG27 1 claim, II./JG52 11 claims, II./JG53 10 claims, II./SKG210 5 claims.
I.Fl.Kp. – JG54 3 claims, ZG26 5 claims.