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Old 30th January 2012, 22:52
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Re: ID of B13+ of 8./JG27 FL on French Beach @ 8.40

Hallo M. Rémi!

En effet, Rémi, je ne sais point aucun differences visibles entre les Bf 109E-3s et les E-4s. Tell us, please, what these "tiny" differences are, if you will, because it would make life a lot easier in Emil identification! :-)

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Re: ID of B13+ of 8./JG27 FL on French Beach @ 8.40

The tiny difference is the type of weapon, MG-FF E-3 MG-FF M for the E-4, quite tiny is'nt it ??

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Old 31st January 2012, 05:05
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Re: ID of B13+ of 8./JG27 FL on French Beach @ 8.40

Oui, oui, Rémi, but can one SEE the difference in the two types of cannon? I thought the only difference was in the cartridge chamber and type of ammunition used. . . .

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Old 1st February 2012, 14:43
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Re: ID of B13+ of 8./JG27 FL on French Beach @ 8.40

Hi There,

And I don't see any Fairinggs under wings indicating 20 mm canon instalation. Even if it's not that clear.
Could be an E-8 too as I said elsewhere.

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Re: ID of B13+ of 8./JG27 FL on French Beach @ 8.40

Hi all,

In Prien's JFV Teil4.I, page 422 one loss is described as follow:
3/8/1940; I./JG27(sic)*; Motorschaden, Unfall, Cherbourg 25%; Bf109E-1.

* Sure it's not I./JG27 but I./JG1 since our dear Doktor friend writes ""Aus unbekannten Gründen meldete die Gruppe jedoch noch bis Mitte September 1940 ihre Verluste unter der alten Verbandsbezeichnung als I./JG 1".
Though we can always ask why some are indicated I./JG1 (typo I./JG27) and other III./JG27 during the same time laps.
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Most important being Cherbourg - Querqueville IS Cherbourg - and E-1. We can always comment the 25% Bruch rate.

Another important point is the ??+JG, partial Stkz.
As far "we" have look for only one Bf109E-4, KB+JG, is available; being noted in 1./Erg.JG2 during September 1941 ... After repairs? Erg. unit being the life ending destination for damaged machines but, in the mean time, the given date is too late to be helpful since Friedrichs have been put already in service times away.
Another point is we don't know WNr. of KB+JG being an E-4 during September 1941, doesn't mean it was an E-4 in July/August 1940.
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Last, though not given in III./JG27 strength list it is interesting to note that at least four E-8s have been in use with this unit: two in 49xx, VA+Qx batch and two in 63xx batch.
And this Schwarze 13 is typically a Fieseler build E-8 in 63xx batch.

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Re: ID of B13+ of 8./JG27 FL on French Beach @ 8.40

another word.
from January 2012 eBay auction. "Scwharze 13" front view where we can note only two blades are slightly bended ... indicating the engine was already stopped before the landing... Motorschaden.

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