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Old 20th May 2012, 18:35
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Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt

Hello,

I´m looking for information about the fate of individual machine this version of P-47 Thunderbolt.

Some information are on this links:
http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/usafserials.html

...but not all. This version was made in ammount pieces and served only in 56th FG in England and therefore I think it is possible determine the fate of each maschine.

Does any info about scrapped machines between January and May 1945, or after end of WWII and inactivating of unit.

Any info is welcome, as any discussion.

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Old 20th May 2012, 22:25
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt

Hi here a (not complete) list of 56th FG P-47's
sorted by crash date with crashplace (below sorted by serial)

430425 41-6227 Horsehill Tor at the head of Edale
430729 42-7887 Den Hague
430730 41-6265 Werkendam
430730 41-6209 Oude-Tonge, North Sea
430816 42-7865 Gournay-en-Bray
430817 42-7891 Warsage
430817 41-6398 Vreren
430817 41-6372 Wolder/Maastricht
430819 41-6216 3220 Hellevoetsluis
430902 42-7934
430902 41-6537 vers Hazebrouck (59)
430903 41-6232 Meaux
430927 41-6199
431008 41-6268
431107 42-7975
431111 42-74722 Coesfeld ?Greven
431111 42-74626 North Sea
431117 42-8614 North Sea 15 mil E Happisburgh
431126 42-7979 Huizen
431129 42-7893 North Sea
431130 42-75216 Mariekerke
431201 42-74631 Etikhove (Ardennen)
431201 42-8607 4280 Merdorp (1 km SE ) near Ambresin
431201 41-6211 9520 Bavegem
431205 41-6242
431211 42-7967 Spiekeroog
431211 42-8606 Spiekeroog
431220 42-22527 North Sea
431231 41-6357 Les Minquiers
431231 41-6401 3 mi NE of Henley-on-Thames
440121 42-75658 St. Saens
440129 42-22748
440203 42-8463
440205 42-75063 Forges
440224 42-75037 Quakenbrück
440302 42-8676
440304 42-7942 North Sea 20 mil N Den Haag
440306 42-75397 10 mil N Dümmersee, Haselünne
440308 42-75697 31535 Metel
440308 42-75040 Diepholz
440308 42-74623 Föckinghausen
440308 42-7885 32351 Stemwede
440308 42-74697
440315 42-22456
440322 42-75446 Egmond aan den Hoef-Binnen
440322 42-8461 North Sea
440322 42-75126 North Sea
440322 42-8579 North Sea
440327 42-75213 Gallardon
440327 42-8487 Allonnes
440327 42-75234 Channel
440327 42-76249 Cheux
440401 42-75839 Neuville-Saint-Vaast
440415 42-8691 S Eggebeck
440415 43-25577 Buschau
440415 42-75388 Elmshorn
440422 42-75546 Hadleigh
440508 42-76503 Vesbeck
440512 42-74750
440512 42-75109
440512 42-75162
440513 42-75444 24623 Grossenaspe-Brokenlande
440522 42-76509 27386 Westerwalsede "Schwarzes Moor"
440522 42-74752 27386 Süderwalsede
440606 42-25963 Bernay
440607 43-25286 Liancourt-St-Pierre
440607 42-26274 Saint-Quentin-des-Prés
440607 42-76254 Orbec
440607 42-76118
440607 42-26342 Beauvais
440610 43-25523 Chambois
440613 42-76145 72240 Ruille-en-Champagne/Epineu-le-Chevreuil
440621 42-26305 33184 Altenbeken
440704 42-75859
440705 42-75578 St-Martin-aux-Arbres
440706 42-25721
440713 42-25713
440713 42-25713
440715 42-76578
440715 42-76578
440719 42-26524 NE Nancy
440803 42-25969
440807 42-75206
440807 42-25836
440812 42-75704 59550 Landrecies
440815 42-75870 Sint-Truiden
440827 42-75093 Heestert
440905 42-75237
440905 42-26468 65629 Niederneisen
440905 42-26258 Waldalgesheim
440909 42-8575 Etten-Leur
440909 42-28543 Etten, ?North Sea
440910 42-25522 54459 Wiltingen
440910 42-27382 Seligenstadt/Niederrodenbach
440917 44-19786 Zoelen
440918 42-26337 Eindhoven
440918 42-26636 ?42-25905 Effern
440918 42-25531
440918 42-26057 Southminster
440918 44-19768
440918 44-19730 Türnich
440918 44-19714 Schijndel
440918 44-19768
440921 43-25515 Lochem
440921 42-26316
441011 42-27322
441011 42-27322 Osburg
441024 44-19929 Achlum
441024 42-26646 Marken
441105 42-76471 Neuhütten
441105 42-26530 Orfordness
441108 44-19909
441110 44-19887 29525 Uelzen
441118 42-26831 Albstadt
441118 42-28623 ?Linsengericht-Lützelhausen ?Heerlen
441120 42-75670
441127 42-25957 48527 Nordhorn
441130 42-28806 Irmtraut
441202 42-28683
441202 44-19739 Dorf-Güll
441202 42-28741 Dorf-Güll
441218 42-28688 Neu-Schierholz
441223 44-19767 Buschhoven
441223 44-19911 Queckenberg
441223 44-20615
441231 44-19930 Mesum
441231 44-19792 Burgsteinfurt
450114 44-19964 N of Burg, E of River Elbe
450203 44-19777 Berlin
450302 42-27898 ditch 10 mi S of Bancacbancaon
450413 44-21134 Eggebeck
450416 44-21230 Mühldorf am Inn
450423 44-76024
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And here sorted by serial
430927 41-6199
430730 41-6209 Oude-Tonge, North Sea
431201 41-6211 9520 Bavegem
430819 41-6216 3220 Hellevoetsluis
430425 41-6227 Horsehill Tor at the head of Edale
430903 41-6232 Meaux
431205 41-6242
430730 41-6265 Werkendam
431008 41-6268
431231 41-6357 Les Minquiers
430817 41-6372 Wolder/Maastricht
430817 41-6398 Vreren
431231 41-6401 3 mi NE of Henley-on-Thames
430902 41-6537 vers Hazebrouck (59)
430816 42-7865 Gournay-en-Bray
440308 42-7885 32351 Stemwede
430729 42-7887 Den Hague
430817 42-7891 Warsage
431129 42-7893 North Sea
430902 42-7934
440304 42-7942 North Sea 20 mil N Den Haag
431211 42-7967 Spiekeroog
431107 42-7975
431126 42-7979 Huizen
440322 42-8461 North Sea
440203 42-8463
440327 42-8487 Allonnes
440909 42-8575 Etten-Leur
440322 42-8579 North Sea
431211 42-8606 Spiekeroog
431201 42-8607 4280 Merdorp (1 km SE ) near Ambresin
431117 42-8614 North Sea 15 mil E Happisburgh
440302 42-8676
440415 42-8691 S Eggebeck

440315 42-22456
431220 42-22527 North Sea
440129 42-22748


440910 42-25522 54459 Wiltingen
440918 42-25531
440713 42-25713
440706 42-25721
440807 42-25836
441127 42-25957 48527 Nordhorn
440606 42-25963 Bernay
440803 42-25969
440918 42-26057 Southminster
440905 42-26258 Waldalgesheim
440607 42-26274 Saint-Quentin-des-Prés
440621 42-26305 33184 Altenbeken
440921 42-26316
440918 42-26337 Eindhoven
440607 42-26342 Beauvais
440905 42-26468 65629 Niederneisen
440719 42-26524 NE Nancy
441105 42-26530 Orfordness
440918 42-26636 ?42-25905 Effern
441024 42-26646 Marken
441118 42-26831 Albstadt
441011 42-27322 Osburg
440910 42-27382 Seligenstadt/Niederrodenbach
450302 42-27898 ditch 10 mi S of Bancacbancaon
440909 42-28543 Etten, ?North Sea
441118 42-28623 ?Linsengericht-Lützelhausen ?Heerlen
441202 42-28683
441218 42-28688 Neu-Schierholz
441202 42-28741 Dorf-Güll
441130 42-28806 Irmtraut
440308 42-74623 Föckinghausen
431111 42-74626 North Sea
431201 42-74631 Etikhove (Ardennen)
440308 42-74697
431111 42-74722 Coesfeld ?Greven
440512 42-74750
440522 42-74752 27386 Süderwalsede
440224 42-75037 Quakenbrück
440308 42-75040 Diepholz
440205 42-75063 Forges
440827 42-75093 Heestert
440512 42-75109
440322 42-75126 North Sea
440512 42-75162
440807 42-75206
440327 42-75213 Gallardon
431130 42-75216 Mariekerke
440327 42-75234 Channel
440905 42-75237
440415 42-75388 Elmshorn
440306 42-75397 10 mil N Dümmersee, Haselünne
440513 42-75444 24623 Grossenaspe-Brokenlande
440322 42-75446 Egmond aan den Hoef-Binnen
440422 42-75546 Hadleigh
440705 42-75578 St-Martin-aux-Arbres
440121 42-75658 St. Saens
441120 42-75670
440308 42-75697 31535 Metel
440812 42-75704 59550 Landrecies
440401 42-75839 Neuville-Saint-Vaast
440704 42-75859
440815 42-75870 Sint-Truiden
440607 42-76118
440613 42-76145 72240 Ruille-en-Champagne/Epineu-le-Chevreuil
440327 42-76249 Cheux
440607 42-76254 Orbec
441105 42-76471 Neuhütten
440508 42-76503 Vesbeck
440522 42-76509 27386 Westerwalsede "Schwarzes Moor"
440715 42-76578
440607 43-25286 Liancourt-St-Pierre
440921 43-25515 Lochem
440610 43-25523 Chambois
440415 43-25577 Buschau
440918 44-19714 Schijndel
440918 44-19730 Türnich
441202 44-19739 Dorf-Güll
441223 44-19767 Buschhoven
440918 44-19768
450203 44-19777 Berlin
440917 44-19786 Zoelen
441231 44-19792 Burgsteinfurt
441110 44-19887 29525 Uelzen
441108 44-19909
441223 44-19911 Queckenberg
441024 44-19929 Achlum
441231 44-19930 Mesum
450114 44-19964 N of Burg, E of River Elbe
441223 44-20615
450413 44-21134 Eggebeck
450416 44-21230 Mühldorf am Inn
450423 44-76024

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Old 21st May 2012, 11:51
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt

Hi FrankieS,

thanks for your reply, you have some information about what happened with P-47M´s after inactivating of 56th FG?

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Old 21st May 2012, 13:10
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt

Faenor, of all the serials listed in the above post, only two relate to the P-47M which was the subject of your original question.

The identification and fate of all P-47M aircraft has long been the quest of many historians but unfortunately, remaining records do not help in fulfilling this aim. For example, on 10 April 1945, I have a note of three incidents that are lacking in detail. Firstly, Paul W Stitt, 62nd FS was killed in a crash-landing in Belgium and Clarence A Tingen also of 62nd force-landed at B-70 Antwerp-Deurne in Belgium. In both instances neither the serial number nor the code letter is known. On the same day, there is a report of a possible second crash-landing in Belgium where the squadron, serial, code and pilot are all unknown. However, such is the shortage of information that it could well relate to the Stitt crash-landing. This is just the "tip of the iceberg".

As far as I know, the listing of P-47M's that I currently have on site is the most comprehensive available to date, unless I can eventually get my hands on the late Roger Freeman's notes, as he was also trying to compile such a list, along with identuifying all of the "Snow White" and "Dogpatch" aircraft from the earlier P-47D's in the 61st and 62nd squadrons. Similarly, I have no idea of what happened to the remaining M's when the 56th rotated back to the ZI, but suspect that like many other aircraft, they were scrapped in the UK.

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I haven't checked all of Frankies' list but to save you looking, the final entry of 44-76024 relates to a B-29 serial in a cancelled contract bach. I therefore cannot reconcile the date given - 23 April 1945, but can confirm that there were no 56th FG losses on that day.

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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt

yes, sorry, thank you,
true:
must have read 42-76024
and was 57FG 64FS MACR 14016
23.04.1945 Ostiglia, Italy
Reichelderfer, Robert H
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt

Hello Peter,

Thank you for your answer in the first post first, which I understood, that know the fate of each machine will be very difficult...

In the event of an accident in Belgium might have helped a local group of Belgian aviation archaeologists do you try, or is some read this topic and have information?

In this case, at least compare the photos of all the P-47m, and classing them in my archive.

Thanks again for the info and I must say that your site http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/ is excellent.

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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt

Hi
a useful website linked below :-
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http://p-47.database.pagesperso-orange.fr/index.html
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Re: Fate of each P-47M-1-RE Thunderbolt

Hi all,

on the page 40 of Aircraft In Action no #208 on P-47 Thunderbolt is photo from boneyard in England 1945 with 1 P-47M ....have somebody other data about this place or other photos?

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